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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:01 PM   #21

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Surely Matthew Ridgway deserves a mention for cleaning up McArthur's mess in Korea?
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Surely Matthew Ridgway deserves a mention for cleaning up McArthur's mess in Korea?
WOW! Something that we find agreement on.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:10 PM   #23

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If they are real students of history they are. The history of the Korean Conflict is not complete without a knowledge of General Puller.
We’re surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them.
–Colonel Lewis B. ‘Chesty’ Puller, during Chosin Reservoir campaign, Korea, November 1950


"They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now!"


"Great. Now we can shoot at those b@$tards from every direction."

"Where do you put the bayonet?" (upon seeing a flamethrower for the first time)
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Do we make them like this anymore?
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Vietnam War US Generals don't usually lead the list, but i think Creighton Abrams ought to be mentioned. His change in strategy to a more counter insurgent policy, clear and hold and devoting more time in training and equipping to the ARVN then Westmoreland, had allowed the ARVN to constantly and successfully repel most NVA - VC offensives against the South for a couple of years as US force numbers shrunk, up until Congreess forced the cuts that saw the eventual end of South Vietnam and a Northern victory.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 09:20 PM   #25

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Surely Matthew Ridgway deserves a mention for cleaning up McArthur's mess in Korea?
MacArthur's real "mess" was his own pride and hubris. His downfall was brought on by his many battles with Truman over exact policy and how to run the Korean War, which as it progressed, MacArthur seemed to be willing to expand it ever further while Truman was trying to keep it as a limited war...

That said, portions of MacArthur's actions in Korea were actually fairly brilliant. Especially if you look at the Inchon operation. It successfully defeated the North Korean Army and saved the troops on the Pusan Perimeter. In the aftermath of that, however, he ignored political realities of the Cold War, which would bring Communist China in and set up his battles with Truman.

Though, one thing I found interesting on Ridgeway's biography on wikipedia was that MacArthur actually mellowed with regard to treating subordinates when Ridgeway took over 8th Army. MacArthur was notorius for making it tough for anyone to get noticed under MacArthur's command without the approval and/or grace of Douglas MacArthur. Ridgeway's bio on wikipedia makes the mention that MacArthur gave Ridgeway an astonishingly free hand in handling 8th Army operations...

And while on the topic of Korean War commanders, would anyone know anything about Mark Clark's actions there? Clark took over from Ridgeway (I think when Ridgeway was promoted to be the head of the Allied forces in Europe).
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Where is ariel sharon?Very good tank commander.
I agree ngyuen giap is undisputed number 1.
Also since this is after 1945,mao zedong should be here.One of the founding figures of geurilla warfare.
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Where is ariel sharon?Very good tank commander.
I agree ngyuen giap is undisputed number 1.
Also since this is after 1945,mao zedong should be here.One of the founding figures of geurilla warfare.
The notion that mao was a founding figure for guerilla warfare is so off base. Guerilla warfare has been used since men started fighting each other. If you want to give any credit, and there is not much of it, for the communist fighting against the Japanese it needs to be given to Peng Dehuai or Zhu De. They were the real implementers of China's fight in the northeast.
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The notion that mao was a founding figure for guerilla warfare is so off base. Guerilla warfare has been used since men started fighting each other. If you want to give any credit, and there is not much of it, for the communist fighting against the Japanese it needs to be given to Peng Dehuai or Zhu De. They were the real implementers of China's fight in the northeast.
If we're going to talk about CCP commanders, then surely Lin Biao needs to be on the list. I think he deserves the most credit for winning the Chinese Civil War.
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If we're going to talk about CCP commanders, then surely Lin Biao needs to be on the list. I think he deserves the most credit for winning the Chinese Civil War.
No doubt the greatest war after 1945.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 05:26 PM   #30

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Ah well. The Usual suspects have come up I see.

I am going to use my "diplomatic immunity" and be biased, nominating
Peter de la Billiere.

I would also nominate Israel Tal. He has to be mentioned at some point, imo.
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