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Old December 8th, 2012, 01:26 AM   #1
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Hindus Fought in Karbala!


War is an integral part of Human History. Our modern perceived identity often clouds our view of what happened in the past. The leaders of the present times would like to paint white black and vice-versa. Anyone with a bit of knowledge about the current affairs would know the reason.

It is always good to know the minute details of the past - helps us break free of narrow walls imposed on us.

This thread is about Hindus who fought in Karbala long time back. Are you aware about this fact? What do you make out of it?


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Old December 8th, 2012, 02:27 AM   #2
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blatant forgery and nothing else.

I suspect intention of thread starter is not very greatly conducive to dispassionate research on history.

this article exposes this fully.

As far as I can remember, Tabari (who was pretty good at summing up all prior major sources) writing 300 years after the event does not mention any Indians in Karbala. It wouldnt make much historical sense anyway. The people who died at karbala are listed in wiki and one could get that .

and this and other traditional lists do not include any Indians. I have no idea if the lists maintained at Qum include any Indian names, but even that may just be a legend (that the lists contain such names may be an urban myth, or they may contain such names and the names themselves are a myth). Anyone know anything more about the lists at Qum?
Imam Hussain was married to a Persian princess, Shaharbano (among other wives) who had been brought in as war booty from Iran. And there is a legend that one of her sisters was married to Chandragupta and was the mother of Samudra Gupta, thus making the future indian king a cousin of Imam Hussain’s son Ali Zain ul Abideen and giving both Indians and Iranians a certain Shia connection. It is not impossible to imagine that Mukhtar’s revolt against the Banu Ummaya (that occurred after karbala) was aided by some Indians. That myth is supported by the presence of a “hindi quarter” in Kufa (Dair e Hindia)..I had mistakenly written Chandragupta Muarya while thinking of Chandragupta I, the gupta king, which Shahid Saeed pointed out was completely off..if i had googled before I wrote, I would have added that this legend is in any case impossible since the Gupta (dad and son) also ruled 300 plus years prior to karbala),
But given how long it took to send messages back and forth it is hard to imagine that he could send a message to India in the last ten days of his life AND get volunteers to join him….prior to that he had no idea he was headed for such trouble…according to standard accounts, he thought most of the large cantonement at Kufa was waiting for him to lead them in a challenge to the Banu Ummaya. Its only when Hur and his armed men intercepted his caravan that he learned that Kufa had switched sides. From that point till his death it just took ten days. ..and it wasnt clear until about halfway through the confrontation that his choices were limited to death or captivity. He was asking for options like joining the jihad in Azerbaijan or going to back to Medina (and according to some legends, asking for permission to go to India, since “India is very tolerant”. Naturally all these legends have the odor of later propaganda for one reason or the other. Just like the various “letters of Mohammed” that conveniently turned up in Coptic Christian monasteries in Sinai, promising them fair treatment and so on. Convenient. But now known to be forgeries.)
in short, the story is almost certainly mythical, but its a nice myth.
That his sister ended up in Lahore is also unlikely, but not out of the question. That some people believe she is buried there is certainly true.
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Primary source or it didn't happen .
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My friend, Tabari who mentions everybody of that era does not mention any indian so we can say that it is fraudulent and myth and certainly a later day myth.
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I heard a differant story. A hindu merchant at karbala offered to join the war. However Imam hussain refused his offer, as according to islam he was kafir paying Jaziya to the ISlamic rulers and hence it was his responsibilty to protect him. besides according to Islam Kafirs paying Jaziya aren't required to join the war or something like that. I forgot the exact story.

However Hussaini brahmins isn't the only example where the people of one sect follow the spritual ruler of the other sect. Haji pir and Ajmer dargah are famous pilgrimage site for both Hindus and Muslims. Similarly Hinglaj temple in Balochistan, is gamos pilgrimage site for both hindus and muslims.

PS: Btw I heard that Hussaini Brahmins normally have cut mark on their throat, to show their respect to their ancestors whose throats were cut in Karbala. Is it right?
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