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Old March 15th, 2013, 04:40 PM   #1

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Most effective ambush in history


Title says everything, you just tell us which was for you the best one. For me, it's obviously the destruction of the Roman legions in Teutoburg forest. But, can you give me any examples of effective ambushes in modern warfare too?
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Title says everything, you just tell us which was for you the best one. For me, it's obviously the destruction of the Roman legions in Teutoburg forest. But, can you give me any examples of effective ambushes in modern warfare too?
Hard to think of a greater one
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Best one overall would be the Fetterman Fight in Red Cloud's War. Mostly because of the stupidity/arrogance on the part of Fetterman. The fight started with a raid/attack on lumberman near a fort (I can't remember which one) on the Bozeman Trail that the Lakota were trying to stop. The lumbermen fled toward the fort and the cavalry sortied to protect them. The unit was command by Fetterman, who was directly instructed not to pursue the "indians" over a hill and to stay within range of the fort's cannon. The Lakota scattered when Fetterman charged, but either from stupidity, arrogance, or racism, Fetterman pursued them over the hill, only to be ambushed and completely destroyed.

The most interesting ambush situation in modern times was the fighting off Samar as part of the Battle of Leyte Gulf. There, the Japanese got what they needed to succesfully ambush the American escort carriers and bring havok down on Leyte. Halsey's fleet carriers had left to pursue the Japanese carriers to the north. The shore bombardment battleships were pursuing the Japanese sourthern force after the Surigao strait battle. This left the Taffy escort carriors and destroyers against a fleet of battleships and heavy cruisers, lead by the Yamato. But despite these advantages, Kurita manages to bungle it on the Japanese end, and when the destroyers and Taffy pilots fight harder than expected, Kurita flees.
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Best one overall would be the Fetterman Fight in Red Cloud's War. Mostly because of the stupidity/arrogance on the part of Fetterman. The fight started with a raid/attack on lumberman near a fort (I can't remember which one) on the Bozeman Trail that the Lakota were trying to stop. The lumbermen fled toward the fort and the cavalry sortied to protect them. The unit was command by Fetterman, who was directly instructed not to pursue the "indians" over a hill and to stay within range of the fort's cannon. The Lakota scattered when Fetterman charged, but either from stupidity, arrogance, or racism, Fetterman pursued them over the hill, only to be ambushed and completely destroyed.
Agree here.
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One of the least effective was Jackson's ambush at Manassas Station.
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And what about the most elaborate ambush? Doesn't matter the outcome
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Title says everything, you just tell us which was for you the best one. For me, it's obviously the destruction of the Roman legions in Teutoburg forest. But, can you give me any examples of effective ambushes in modern warfare too?
I agree It was well thought out. I believe one roman unit escaped but the slaughter and confusion. arminus caused left the romans vulnerable. His army undiscovered was able t get very close. The army attacked the entire line, they had built barriers on the flanks limiing movement and escape by the romans.The group that escaped (forgot size) did so by keeping their discipline and fought their way out.
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It deserves a mention:

Battle of Lake Trasimene - Hannibal Battle of Lake Trasimene
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Best one overall would be the Fetterman Fight in Red Cloud's War. Mostly because of the stupidity/arrogance on the part of Fetterman. The fight started with a raid/attack on lumberman near a fort (I can't remember which one) on the Bozeman Trail that the Lakota were trying to stop. The lumbermen fled toward the fort and the cavalry sortied to protect them. The unit was command by Fetterman, who was directly instructed not to pursue the "indians" over a hill and to stay within range of the fort's cannon. The Lakota scattered when Fetterman charged, but either from stupidity, arrogance, or racism, Fetterman pursued them over the hill, only to be ambushed and completely destroyed.

The most interesting ambush situation in modern times was the fighting off Samar as part of the Battle of Leyte Gulf. There, the Japanese got what they needed to succesfully ambush the American escort carriers and bring havok down on Leyte. Halsey's fleet carriers had left to pursue the Japanese carriers to the north. The shore bombardment battleships were pursuing the Japanese sourthern force after the Surigao strait battle. This left the Taffy escort carriors and destroyers against a fleet of battleships and heavy cruisers, lead by the Yamato. But despite these advantages, Kurita manages to bungle it on the Japanese end, and when the destroyers and Taffy pilots fight harder than expected, Kurita flees.
I think I posted in another thread that Fetterman once boasted that if he was given 80 men, he would ride through the whole indian nation. His boast turn prophetic of his doom. Including himself, 81 men died in that ambush.
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that was my first thought, so I'll have to go for this one instead.

Battle of the Teutoburg Forest

Those Romans, such suckers, they fall for them again and again.
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