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Old May 15th, 2013, 10:04 PM   #11

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Would these things even have been recorded back then?
They might have been for such a PR mission or at least transcripts.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #12

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As a kid I read the Paul Brickhill book and saw the movie. Recently I read the book 'Dambusters" by Max Arthur which puts a more realistic view of the personalities involved and the pros and cons of the raid. If anything this book shows even more how difficult the thing was to pull off.


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BTW the dogs name was Nigger. History is full of unpalatable facts that will upset some people.

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Old May 16th, 2013, 03:36 AM   #13

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This is a good book on the Dambusters;

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RAF recce photo of the Mohne dam taken the following day;

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Old May 16th, 2013, 06:54 AM   #14

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I came across this in my readings, thought it could add to the thread:

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As a red flare curved into the Lincolnshire sky, the engines on 19 Avro Lancasters clattered to life and the black bombers began to move slowly out of their dispersals. The muffled roar that evening, May 16, 1943, was familiar to nearby residents. Operations were on again. RAF Scampton's aircraft would likely be joining hundreds of others in another "maximum effort." Where are our boys going tonight: Berlin? Hamburg? Some would offer a silent prayer for their safe return. - See more at: The Dambusters
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Old May 16th, 2013, 12:31 PM   #15
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Thumbs up Pablo down there in scarborough or is it


Wembley Downs ? in Perth W.A. (i lived for five weeks in Wembley Downs in 2006-they have a great Italian restaurant in Scarborough , Perth W.A. too.
I am right!- Gibson's dog was most definitely called the ''N'' word by Gibson and everyone else in Scampton air base in 1943.
Go read your fellow Aussie, Paul Brickhill's original 1952 book ''The Dambusters'' and you will see this in black and white (no pun intended!)
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Old May 16th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #16

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BTW the dogs name was Nigger. History is full of unpalatable facts that will upset some people.
I was rather hoping to get away without the Dog actually being named. However, you have opened the door.
Nigger's role in the squadron and the raid is a small tale in itself. While he was considered a mascot by the aircrew, he would hang around the Sergeants Mess and howl when Gibson went on Ops and, rumour has it, crap in the Mess entrance (a new slant on Dog Mess), which raises the question if the dog's demise was a complete accident.
Famously Nigger was run over in the afternoon of the raid and buried by one of the Groundcrew at the exact moment (21:30) of the start of the raid.
The codeword for a successful bomb-run breaching the dam was also "Nigger".
There was a big row some time back when the BBC cut out the name of the dog and the codeword during a showing the 1955 Richard Todd film. There has recently been talk of a re-make of the film with Stephen Fry as writer, who suggested that the name be changed to "Digger"--itself a problem as Flt Lt Barlow, an Aussie was also called "Digger".
"Trigger" has been suggested, but purists will probably tear Fry apart.

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Old May 16th, 2013, 01:53 PM   #17

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Good thread Ancientgeezer, thank you.

The National Archives website also has an "Online Exhibition" -

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Wembley Downs ? in Perth W.A. (i lived for five weeks in Wembley Downs in 2006-they have a great Italian restaurant in Scarborough , Perth W.A. too.
I am right!- Gibson's dog was most definitely called the ''N'' word by Gibson and everyone else in Scampton air base in 1943.
Go read your fellow Aussie, Paul Brickhill's original 1952 book ''The Dambusters'' and you will see this in black and white (no pun intended!)
Yeah I corrected my post.
Actually I live in Claremont.....about 1 or 2km south of Wembley downs.
I may have been to that restaurant myself....
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Thumbs up thanks ancientgeezer for showing Nigger's gravestonne


I wasn't aware of this memorial to the dog.
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PABLO -WHEN IWAS IN W.A. IN 2006 iI WENT TO BUNBURY


And visited the family home of the Australian Lancaster bomber pilot who was killed flying over Normandy wearing one of Herman Goering's First World War decorations which Goering had given to a Bunbury W.A.Royal Flying Corps fighter pilot that he had shot down in a dogfight in France in 1916.
The W.W. One vet from Bunbury gave Goering's medal to the younger man just before he left Bunbury W.A. in 1942 for England and he -the young Bunbury Bomber Command pilot-was wearing it when he was shot down on June 6 1944.
Although several members of his crew survived the young Bunbury pilot and Goering's medal around his neck both perished.
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