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View Poll Results: Best Infantry Rifle of WWII
Springfield - US .30-06 bolt action 6 3.87%
Garand - US .30-06 semiauto 77 49.68%
Mauser Karabiner 98 Kurz - German 7.92mm bolt action 29 18.71%
Mosin-Nagant - Soviet 7.62x54mmR bolt action 12 7.74%
Arisaka - Japanese 6.5x50mm bolt action 2 1.29%
Carcano M1891 - Italian 7.35x51mm bolt action 1 0.65%
Lee Enfield - Brittish .303 Bolt Action 28 18.06%
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Old November 27th, 2012, 03:25 PM   #251
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The US army's marksmanship program is a NATO standard 300yd/meter course. Same as nearly all of Europe. I dont speak for the US army.
Have you ever done the British infantry apwt? Its out to 400 meters, and the the standard of marksmanship is very high. I suggest you have reality check and actually look at what other armies can do. Oh, and again have shot on ranges with US marines on a couple of occasions, and they werent all that.

Stop talking crap, and all that pro American propaganda you've obviously been force fed. Americans aren't much better at soldering than anyone else, and as for your assertions about marksmanship, well in the end it always come down to cold steel and the will to close with the bayonet. Something you guys lack.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 04:02 PM   #252
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Have you ever done the British infantry apwt? Its out to 400 meters, and the the standard of marksmanship is very high...
Is that with the SUSAT?

My last APWT was some years ago and the max range was 300m (iron sights)

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...in the end it always come down to cold steel and the will to close with the bayonet...
Bayonet attacks are few and far between and the SA80's bayonet is a poor design, indeed the rifle is just not ergonomically designed for a bayonet.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 05:31 PM   #253

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In terms of "basic" rifles, the best would be the Garand. I'd feel that the StG 44 would be an overall better weapon as the first real Assault Rifle, but among "one shot-one kill" rifles, the Garand was best.

Yes, it had a hard kick and yes it made a clear noise that would let enemies know when he'd expend all the ammunition in the clip, the Garand didn't need to have a bolt operated to load the weapon. The British Enfield carried more bullets per clip, but the British soldier still had to operate a bolt. The GI with the Garand did not and could fire eight rounds rapidly, reload and fire again at a faster rate then the British soldier operating the bolt.
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Bolt action;Lee-Enfield SMLE
Semiautomatic; Garand
Assault rifle; StG44
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:41 AM   #255
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Poly, yes it is with susat , and it is only the infantry that do it. All other arms are out to 300 metres. Was just trying to show that some people are just blinded by nationalistic feeling and blithely ignore what other countries are able to do.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:44 AM   #256
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And regarding the bayonet, it isn't its actual use, which you are correct by the way that it is seldom used, more it is the ethos and the willingness to close with it that makes it more useful than it is. It helps instill a culture of aggression and determination to win an engagement which is ultimately the point of fighting.

Badly designed? I think it is more a case of the length of the weapon as opposed to anything intrinsically wrong with the bayonet itself.
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Is that with the SUSAT?

My last APWT was some years ago and the max range was 300m (iron sights)



Bayonet attacks are few and far between and the SA80's bayonet is a poor design, indeed the rifle is just not ergonomically designed for a bayonet.
As far as i know SUSAT is either gone or being limited to non-combat areas, the front line guys were getting the ACOG sight about the same time the rails and the forehand grip were fitted.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 05:00 AM   #258

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Garand without doubt.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 06:26 AM   #259
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Acog site started getting issued 2009-2010. We still had susat, along with rails, front grips, ugl etc.
Its not completely gone yet though.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:58 AM   #260
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Out of the rifles listed, I would pick the Springfield 1903 for a sniper rifle, the Gewhr 98 for a hunting rifle.

For a bolt action battle rifle it would be the Lee-Enfield. probably one of the fastest operating bolt actions made. Simple to service, headspace adjustments as simple as installing a different bolt nose. Im not fond of rimmed cartridges in a box magazine, but the Lee-Enfield functioned better than most. There were numerous occasions during WWI where the german army attempted to take a British position but were beaten back primarily by the "mad minute" tactics of the British infantry...the germans were convinced it was machinegun fire.

For an all purpose battle rifle, I have to go with the Garand. The 30-06 is a good balance of power, the rifle itself is easy and quick to load and maintain, the sights are excellent for its intended purpose. And it can be produced by nearly anyone with production line equipment.
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