Canadian Blitzkrieg????? - Page 2 - Historum

Jonathan4290 · May 29th, 2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex III

Think of the guerilla war that would ensue if the American's invaded Canada.

So much territory to try and conquer, we'd run for the hills and wreak havoc, Red Dawn style.

Yeah but only you guys HAVE hills. I'm from Hamilton, Ontario and all we could is fortify the escarpment but otherwise have nowhere to hide unless we went to Thunder Bay.

Alex III · May 29th, 2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan4290

Yeah but only you guys HAVE hills. I'm from Hamilton, Ontario and all we could is fortify the escarpment but otherwise have nowhere to hide unless we went to Thunder Bay.

Yes yes this is true.

Come to BC we will regroup here. They'll never take it, it would be nearly impossible.

Sugadaddy774 · May 29th, 2009, 01:06 PM

What's all this defensive talk?

You guys are supposed to performing the blitzkrieg!

Alex III · May 29th, 2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugadaddy774

What's all this defensive talk?

You guys are supposed to performing the blitzkrieg!

Oh ya right.

Somehow I don't think we have enough manpower to blitzkrieg the US. Might get a few km's in but that's about it.

So what must be done is to launch this blitzkrieg, surprise them, then pull back into Canada and try to entice them in. Once we draw them up here, they don't stand a chance against our mountains.

I bet we could even get some states to turn. I bet Washington is with is, maybe Maine. Minnesota perhaps.

Jonathan4290 · May 29th, 2009, 08:07 PM

The problem is that most of our vital industry is close to the border and coasts.

I like the blitzkrieg idea because it just has to be sustained until the British arrive. So what if we're blowing up Mount Rushmore while the Americans encircle our spearheads? As long as we're on offensive, the defensive is covered. How long do you think it would take for British forces to arrive?

Paragonrex · May 29th, 2009, 10:04 PM

Ah ha!!!!
Now we are getting it, the crux of this is not a full engagement with American forces remember the Americans invaded first according to "Defense Scheme". So the question how long till the British arrive? at top speed 4 days to cross the Atlantic? I am not sure how long it takes a 30's era Battleship to cross the Atlantic but what about fleet engagements? During the time period the advantage would have gone to the Royal Navy, yes? How scary would it have been to see the H.M.S. Hood, and the H.M.S. Prince of Wales off the coast of New York or Boston? A full scale bombardment of the cities, aerial assaults? all to draw the Yanks out of Canada and clear the way for a British invasion.

Sugadaddy774 · May 30th, 2009, 05:12 AM

In that four day time the US would have moved the majority of its fleets to the eastern shores. It would be quite the clash to be sure. But honestly I think this would all turn out to be a stalemate. I'm no military tactician but it would seem that once the British arrive the US would now be on the defensive. So they either withdraw into their own or possibly push further into Canada for a Canadian surrender.

I'm more inclined to go with the former and once that happens I don't think the combined forces of Britain and Canada would be able to make any sort of solid advance into the US.

**Edratman** · May 30th, 2009, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paragonrex

Ah ha!!!!
Now we are getting it, the crux of this is not a full engagement with American forces remember the Americans invaded first according to "Defense Scheme". So the question how long till the British arrive? at top speed 4 days to cross the Atlantic? I am not sure how long it takes a 30's era Battleship to cross the Atlantic but what about fleet engagements? During the time period the advantage would have gone to the Royal Navy, yes? How scary would it have been to see the H.M.S. Hood, and the H.M.S. Prince of Wales off the coast of New York or Boston? A full scale bombardment of the cities, aerial assaults? all to draw the Yanks out of Canada and clear the way for a British invasion.

Four days? Not even close.

Four days is correct for the transit time of the fastest vessals, but a battle fleet moves at the speed of the slowest ship.

But your major error is in assuming that the fleet and army are just sitting around and ready to go to action on a moments notice, like a backup linebacker in a football game.

If the planning and logistics for a trans-Atlantic invasion took less than 3 months, I would be shocked.

Along the same lines, the US Military would be probably even slower to mobilize large forces. It took more than six months before significent numbers of Americans were sent to France in WWI, and much of their heavy armament and planes were of French manufacture.

So the initial conflict would merely be standing army vs standing army. It would not be totally impossible to see the Canadian army occuping Washington as the result of a bold, fast stoke with those conditions, and some good luck.

There was a chance that Canada could have won a sprint. Now if it became a marathon???

mister · May 30th, 2009, 06:49 AM

If I were the leader of the US and I'm at war with Canada I wouldn't bother invading we'll just have our butt's kicked in their territory I'll just play the waiting game and see if they attack.If Canada doesn't I'll just negotiate a peace treaty and that will be the end of that.

Jebusrocks · June 16th, 2009, 11:24 AM

Canada's navy, at this time, numbered 2 ships. The USA was able to give 50 old destroyers to the UK during the Second World War. I believe Canada's navy only grew after the second world war, where we had I believe the third largest navy after the war

The only way Canada would ever think to defeat US is via diplomatic relations (the UK, France, etc. etc.) and staying on the defense and convincing the American public to give up the war. I believe at this time, New York City was more populated than all of Canada.

Though mind you, Canada had far more success in the Great War, and if Arthur Currie was able to control the four divisions with proper equipment, they might have a fighting chance.