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Old January 21st, 2014, 02:14 PM   #31

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I've just checked - the Lieutenant Maxse in question was not Sir Henry "Fritz" Maxse above, but his brother Frederick Maxse, an R.N. Lieutenant who was Raglan's naval ADC, so would have been stationed at Raglan's position.
Ah right. I was thinking of Sir Fitz too. Does Saul David give the source for Frederick Maxse's statement? I wonder why Kinglake didn't come across him. Kinglake turned the world upside down looking for source material.
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Ah right. I was thinking of Sir Fitz too. Does Saul David give the source for Frederick Maxse's statement? I wonder why Kinglake didn't come across him. Kinglake turned the world upside down looking for source material.
He doesn't give specifics (at least, I don't think so without checking), but he quotes from a letter to Maxse's mother.
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He doesn't give specifics (at least, I don't think so without checking), but he quotes from a letter to Maxse's mother.
I've got nowhere on the Maxse letter. Could you possibly give the name of the Saul David book (I see there could be a choice from three) it is contained in and if you get time, post the pertinent extract. It would help.

I was leafing through Terry Brighton's Hell Riders published in 2004. All it gives in there is "It was at this point that a staff officer whose identity has never been established shouted out that the Russians in the redoubts on the Causeway Heights were dragging away the British Guns"

If the staff officer was Maxse... then the evidence is more solid than Kinglake quoting (in a work commissioned by Lady Raglan) Raglan's nephew Calthorpe, some time after the event.

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I've got nowhere on the Maxse letter. Could you possibly give the name of the Saul David book (I see there could be a choice from three) it is contained in and if you get time, post the pertinent extract. It would help.
It's Victoria's Wars. I'll dig out the extract for you but it doesn't say anything beyond "Maxse wrote <quote> to his mother".

David doesn't say that the staff officer who raised the alarm was Maxse though, only that he commented that they could see the guns being dragged away, which to me implies that there was a consensus amongst the officers present that that was what was happening (of course, it doesn't mean that consensus was right).

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But Lieutenant Maxse was in no doubt. Out of the first two redoubts, he informed his mother, "we soon saw them to be dragging our guns."

You could try e-mailing him - his address is listed on his website: saul.david@buckingham.ac.uk

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It's Victoria's Wars. I'll dig out the extract for you but it doesn't say anything beyond "Maxse wrote <quote> to his mother".

David doesn't say that the staff officer who raised the alarm was Maxse though, only that he commented that they could see the guns being dragged away, which to me implies that there was a consensus amongst the officers present that that was what was happening (of course, it doesn't mean that consensus was right).

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But Lieutenant Maxse was in no doubt. Out of the first two redoubts, he informed his mother, "we soon saw them to be dragging our guns."

You could try e-mailing him - his address is listed on his website: saul.david@buckingham.ac.uk
Thank you sir. Much appreciated.
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