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Old December 12th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #1301

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Just out of curiosity, you wrote this:



In another thread you wrote:



So did this happen in the 17th or in the 19th century? Can't say I'm aware of either of these two events.


... well, i was informed of this event, but it was a long time ago. must have forgoten the true timeline of the event. id rather say the 19th century, since the info was more fresh to me at the time, but what wars did A-U have with belgium in the 19th century? simply seems far more logical that it happened in 30 years war
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Old December 12th, 2012, 09:56 PM   #1302

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Seeing as almost everyone is blowing their own horn, might as well add South Africans ...
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Old December 12th, 2012, 10:26 PM   #1303
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Which country boasted the greatest soldiers?


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Isn't this a bit open ended.
I mean the role technology and tactics plays makes it quite difficult to have a definitive answer.
For instance, the Spartans were famously great warriors, but they obviously wouldn't have won in a conflict against many later societies, hence wouldn't that make modern armies the greatest warriors?
So what exactly are the criteria?
I believe that the question should have been "Which Country can boast the greatest soldiers of their time?" After all the subject matter of this forum is historical.

I can think of many. For the Hellenic period, I would say the Spartans. However I would not underestimate Persians either.

I would also say the Macedons as well.

Roman Period - Of course the Romans.

I am sure there are many to be found and exchange of views between people will prove enlightening for everyone

I think the criteria should be training/technology/tactics and results achieved in recorded battles.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #1304

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What's all this English and Russian talk, the Samurais all the way. Although it is difficult to say because of the advancements in weaponry across time. Any kid with an assault rifle would take a samurai with a little bit of distance. If we had the premise of no guns/artillery, then the Samurai I think. With guns... russian spetsnaz

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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:35 AM   #1305
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Sticking to the general trend of nationalistic dickwaving in this thread, I must say Polish - at least from 10th century all the way up to 17th century and then from 19th century all the way up to 21st century. With the exception of 18th century, when we sucked in war.

By the way - as a matter of fact, in history of Russia, only Russian soldiers "visited" Moscow and Kremlin more often than Polish.

Polish did it 3 times in 17th century (1605-1606, 1610-1612 and 1617) and 1 time in 19th century (together with Napoleon).

The day of liberating Moscow from Polish occupation (6 November 1612) is the main Public Holiday in modern Russia. Yay!

Not the liberation from the Mongols, not the Napoleon's retreat of 1812, not the battle of Moscow in 1941. Yay!

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What's all this English and Russian talk, the Samurais all the way. Although it is difficult to say because of the advancements in weaponry across time. Any kid with an assault rifle would take a samurai with a little bit of distance. If we had the premise of no guns/artillery, then the Samurai I think. With guns... russian spetsnaz
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Old January 17th, 2013, 04:14 AM   #1307

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I say that the Roman Legionares were the best. they have fought and defeat the most various enemies, in all types of climate and for the longest period of time.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #1308
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How about The Chinese?
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Old January 18th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #1309

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1) In general, the soldiers were the best when defending their own country as compared to offending. The Soviet soldiers invading Finland or Afghanistan were probably not good soldiers, being the invader does not boost anyone's morale, unless their is a very good goal (e.g. Korean war for the US). The same Soviet soldiers were brave, and very good while defending their country during WWII.

2) (I apologize if someone has already mentioned these groups. One can not follow this thread, it should be a poll). I think that Spanish mercenaries employed by the Borghias were great soldiers, because they were trained to sell their military art and hence had no moral scruples. They had incredible stamina, could survive on onions and some bread and water, and marched incredible distances during the day.

And also, someone must have mentioned the army of Israel. I am not going to comment on the wars they are fighting, but how they are fighting is another matter. And historically, the Jews who were not trained soldiers fought very valiantly against the Romans, sometimes till the last man.

P.S. As to the Spartans - much as I like them, they were very limited soldiers. They could not take fortresses (backward technology). They were horrible sailors, and how many of them suffered from the sea disease one can not even count (I always imagine this army at Salamis - not a pretty sight). So... good infantry, but they lost so many times, too... and these squabbles between the kings... Their strength was in fighting till the last man, but it does not take guts...

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Old January 18th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #1310

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Seeing as almost everyone is blowing their own horn, might as well add South Africans ...
I suppose that's why there are so many biographies of Napoleon written by Frenchmen etc.
Churchill is often quoted, but he is very wrong. Should we hide behind such slogans?
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