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Old August 16th, 2014, 04:03 PM   #21

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I do not have will to check properly, but many people claim that in Dresden there were no real military industry. Main military targets would be railroad and bridges. I doubt very much if you can burn railroad or bridge. Maybe to some extent, definetelly will not damage such objects with fire if you hit nearby buildings.
I think Dresden manufactured telescopic sights for tank and anti-tank guns and other precision optical equipment. Probably other things too.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 04:09 PM   #22

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By the same argument, the bombing of Guernica in 1937 and of Rotterdam in 1940 is also justified. ?
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Old August 16th, 2014, 04:16 PM   #23

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By the same argument, the bombing of Guernica in 1937 and of Rotterdam in 1940 is also justified. ?
Were either of them 'military' targets because Dresden was.

What German city 1945 wasn't?
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Old August 16th, 2014, 04:30 PM   #24
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The idea, that every street can bring troops from A to B, that every railway station can let soldiers start to the front, that every civilian is a potential worker in war related industries and therefor all of it can be legally destroyed, annihilated, leads to a simple conclusion, there is no protection for civilians in a war, which is clearly against the HC and every standard of a civilized culture.
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I think science is almost to the point where a robotic gnat will be directed into the salon of the Mighty Warlord and sting him with something that is very good for thrombosis or embolization or some medical emergency like that - no need to direct a rocket down the back of his collar.
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This topic has been done to death on these boards and it always atracts the usual suspects .
Dresden was NOT an innocent city of cultture as theNazis and their modern day revisionist alcolytes like to pretend.
It was a major war industry centre in February 1945 with over 300 firms making (using Jewish concentation camp labour to boot) material as varied as U-Boat parts and parts for the V-weaponry that was raining down indiscrimately on London ngland and southern England while the resden raid took place.
The Nazis alone were responsible for most of the February 1945 casualties.An S.S. report of 1943 criticised the negligence of the Nazi Gaulieter of Dresden for failing to build adequate numbers of air raid shelters for the ordinary people f Dresden .
But being a typical Nazi he same scumbag built himslef a stae odf the art shelter where he was insulted from the screams of the dying outside. his negligence -not the RAF - had callously condemned to death.
Dresden Pforzheim Hamburg Cologne were all the justifiable payback by the alliies visited on the Nazi supporting German populace for suporting a regime that tried to wipe London off the map on December 28 1940'Clydebank in March 1941 and Coventry 1940.
In 1939 the Nazis issued a newsreel shown throughout Germany where a plane panned a camera across e ruins of Warsaw and a rasping, gloating, German Nazi voice asked ''Is this what you meant Mr Chamberlain by ''assisting Poland.
Equally, no leading German politician of the time objected to the Luftwaffe's mass indiscriminate bombing campaign as leading British govt abinet Minister Sir Kingsley Wood did in 1939 when someone in the Cabinet proposed firebombing the German Black Forest Sir Kingsley(a former excutive in the British property insurance industry ) said with horror ''We can't do that chaps!-it's private property !''
No Nazi leader ever showed similar concern for private property in Rotterdam Warsaw London, Liverpool Clydebank Belfast or Aberdden
But Sir Kingsley changed his mind after watching the Luftwaffe's ruthless attempt to exterminate ordinary Londoners with firebombing on December 28 1940 and again on May 10 1941.
The German Nazi population reaped nly what they had sewn by supporting a warlike racist regime like National Socialism so Dresden 1945?-if the aliies had been able to do that all over Germany in 1943 chances are of thousands of Hungarian Jewish women an children would NOT have been gassed in Auschwitz in the summer of 1944.
his claim is based on what Nazi leader Speer said after the devastating fire raid on Hamburg in July 1943 ''Operation Gommorah '' when Sper said anothe series of raids like that one could haeve knocked Grmany ut of the war.
So Dresden 1945? neither our forefathers or modern Brits have anything whatsoever to apologise for or feel even remotley guily about.
On the contrary, every February 15 we Brits should fill our glasses and toast the brave RAF and American bomber crews who gave the Nazis back at Dresden with interest, the suffering they had been inflicting on Europe and the allies since 1939.
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I think Dresden manufactured telescopic sights for tank and anti-tank guns and other precision optical equipment. Probably other things too.
It was the home of Carl Zeiss lens production.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 06:49 PM   #28

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I don't believe Dresden was enough of a true military target to justify the devastation.
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I think Dresden manufactured telescopic sights for tank and anti-tank guns and other precision optical equipment. Probably other things too.
It was also a major rail transport hub that was used to transport troops to the eastern front.
One of the reasons that Dresden was bombed is that the Soviets asked the western allies to do so.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #30

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Perhaps in the future when countries go to war against each other they will rent out space from Russia out in an uninhabited area of Siberia (or perhaps in another large country like Brazil or the US or Australia or Sudan or China) and have the war there so no civilians will get hurt/killed? Then the side whose army gets killed off first has to sign a treaty and do whatever the winner says?

Or maybe all the civilians in both countries should receive all expenses paid vacations in neutral countries for the duration of the war?

But that stuff would never happen on account of the reality thing.
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