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Old September 1st, 2014, 10:20 AM   #21

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Yes an other said story, like the story of the Gotscheer.

Before the Prussian took over Germany, the German language was spoken from Alsace-Lorraine to the Volga. After 1945 no more.

Who payed the most ? The Volksdeutsche or the Reichsdeutsche?
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Old September 1st, 2014, 10:36 AM   #22

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Yes an other said story, like the story of the Gotscheer.

Before the Prussian took over Germany, the German language was spoken from Alsace-Lorraine to the Volga. After 1945 no more.

Who payed the most ? The Volksdeutsche or the Reichsdeutsche?
Of course die Volksdeutschen. I can't even imagine the times around ww1 when the town where I lived before (Celje/Cilli) was cca 64 % German - by official records, so the actual number of Germans was lower. With this percentage it was still pretty good standing if one considers the data for Maribor/Marburg and Ptuj/Petau. Slovenes went to one church, the Germans went to the other church. Slovenes had their Narodni dom (national house), the Germans had their Deutsches Haus (today called Celjski dom = Celje house). When Slovenes wanted a class in Slovene on the grammar school it became such a problem that even the government of Austria-Hungary had to resine. Today? I don't know one Celje German or his descendand. I have a great-aunt who was born in Danzig. She's a Prussian and her family had to move to West Germany at the end of war. There the land was populated with Poles from other areas when the Germans left. But that's different, here only towns had a German population while there the majority of the people was German.

Minorities have it really hard if the locals and the government become hostile to them over night.
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In Alsace-Lorraine nobody had to leave. No house was destroyed because it looked German.

But language and culture are nearly gone.

Deutschland, bleiche Mutter.
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That's not entirely true. In the case of Yugoslavia you had also stationed Turkmen units, SS Handžar and Skanderbeg divisions and others. There were also a lot local colaborant units, such as the Ustaše, Nedićevci, certain Četnik units, Slovenski domobranci and many others. Those were the most brutal in their attitude towards the locals. That there were mostly Austrians is probably true only for the areas directly annexed to the Reich - Slovene Styria, Carniola and Carinthia. Those were controled by Wehrmanschaften, which included also a lot of local men. Those often surrendered quickly at partisan attacks.

Otherwise they acted in many different ways. Take a look at the desant on Drvar or how they crushed the Užice republic.

In Frankolovo, not that far from where I live they killed 100 Slovenes because one high Nazi functionary was killed in a partisan ambush. He was driving from his wedding. Thatfor the Germans gathered 100 hostages from the prisons in Celje and Maribor and hanged 99 of them on the trees along the road at Frankolovo. Only one wasn't hanged - because he was shot when he tried to escape.
On the run up to d day The allies made sure Tito had enough munitions/ supplies as he held back 3 - 4 divisions of the German army.
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