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Old October 21st, 2009, 11:34 AM   #1
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This day in history - The Battle of Trafalgar


On 21st of October 1805, history was made when Admiral Lord Nelson defeated Napoleon Bonaparte in the Battle of Trafalgar.

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Old October 21st, 2009, 12:27 PM   #2

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On 21st of October 1805, history was made when Admiral Lord Nelson defeated Napoleon Bonaparte in the Battle of Trafalgar.

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Without this great victory, there would not have been a Peninsular War, and probably no Waterloo. In this respect Trafalgar was the most decisive battle of the Napoleonic War. It ended the 100 years of naval struggle between Britain and France, gave Britain the "Empire of the Oceans", and created the "Pax Britannia".
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On 21st of October 1805, history was made when Admiral Lord Nelson defeated Napoleon Bonaparte in the Battle of Trafalgar.

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While it is true that today is the anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar - and it is true that this was the most decisive naval battle of the Napoleonic wars - this particular (very brief) article you cite erroneously states that Napoleon himself commanded the combined French and Spanish fleets during the battle. Napoleon was not present at Trafalgar (he had just defeated the Austrian army at Ulm). The French and Spanish ships were under the command of French Admiral Pierre Villeneuve (who was captured). The senior Spanish commander was Admiral Federico Gravina (who managed to escape). In fact, Napoleon did not even hear of the outcome of the battle until several weeks later.
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While it is true that today is the anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar - and it is true that this was the most decisive naval battle of the Napoleonic wars - this particular (very brief) article you cite erroneously states that Napoleon himself commanded the combined French and Spanish fleets during the battle. Napoleon was not present at Trafalgar (he had just defeated the Austrian army at Ulm). The French and Spanish ships were under the command of French Admiral Pierre Villeneuve (who was captured). The senior Spanish commander was Admiral Federico Gravina (who managed to escape). In fact, Napoleon did not even hear of the outcome of the battle until several weeks later.
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On 21st of October 1805, history was made when Admiral Lord Nelson defeated Napoleon Bonaparte in the Battle of Trafalgar.

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Woow... Napoleon himself was present at zeee scene? That's a first No seriously, it should be formulated differently.

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Without this great victory, there would not have been a Peninsular War, and probably no Waterloo. In this respect Trafalgar was the most decisive battle of the Napoleonic War. It ended the 100 years of naval struggle between Britain and France, gave Britain the "Empire of the Oceans", and created the "Pax Britannia".
On another note, Nelson merely rubbed in something that had going on since the Revolutionairy wars began: British naval supremacy. It was the outcome of many variables that day, things that had roots in the decade prior to Trafalgar, so in all it wasn't something that popped out of nowhere;
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I don't see the Battle of Trafalgar as being extremely significant. Napoleon would spend the next two years humbling Prussia and pacifying Czar Alexander. It's not like he had the time to invade Britain anyway.

Is it true that Napoleon was afterward planning to build a massive French fleet but couldn't put those plans into effect as the wars continued?
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The problem had never been the construction of ships but the quality of sailors. Successive defeats only made this worse.
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Without this great victory, there would not have been a Peninsular War...
I think there would have been a Peninsular War if napoleon had tried to extend his hegemony over Spain, just no British military presence.
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I think there would have been a Peninsular War if napoleon had tried to extend his hegemony over Spain, just no British military presence.
What sort of Peninsular war would it have been without the British presence? The Spanish would still have conducted the "little war", but it is difficult to predict its duration without some hope of traditional military forces also engaged at the same time. The Spanish field army had some success, but they also had far more setbacks and without a British presence who can tell how long these forces would have kept up the fight. Finally, in all probability Portugal would have fallen to the French at some point, probably sooner than later. It would be anyone's guess what would have happened after Lisbon falls, but the historical departure of the Portugese court leads me to believe that Portugal would not have resisted against anything but extreme French excesses.
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I must give Lord Nelson his due. His tactics were brillant. Once the french and spanish line had been broken Nelsons gunners did the rest. They proved that day that they had no match, except for american gunners of course , lol. And as for what followed in the coming years...well lets just say that the threat of the french navy wasnt one of them.
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