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Old November 2nd, 2009, 10:03 PM   #1

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Nazism v Communism


I read in a speech where Churchill said, given a choice between Nazism and Communism, he would choose Communism. It is funny, because after the war, the Soviet system posed an immense threat to the West and Briton's interest, but one has to think if Nazi Germany would have posed the same threat to the West and what Churchill was really afraid of.

On what grounds is Nazism worst then Communism?
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 10:08 PM   #2

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I read in a speech where Churchill said, given a choice between Nazism and Communism, he would choose Communism.

I think you may have been reading too quickly. The actual quote is, "I will not pretend if I had to choose between Communism and Nazi-ism, I would choose Communism." (my emphasis).
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Communism purportedly treats all citizens as equals.

Nazism preyed upon and pitted one class of citizens against another.

Communism seeks to eliminate all distinctions separating people into classes.
Nazism seeks to amplify distinctions for the express purpose of de-legitimizing entire classes of people.
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Communism purportedly treats all citizens as equals.

Nazism preyed upon and pitted one class of citizens against another.

Communism seeks to eliminate all distinctions separating people into classes.
Nazism seeks to amplify distinctions for the express purpose of de-legitimizing entire classes of people.
Communism creates economic warfare between itself and Capitalism, as well as other types of global conflict.

Communism does not prevent class structures from forming.

Communism was still a hideous episode on the global horizon, but how still is it in "reality" and not in "ideology" any better then Nazism?
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 10:20 PM   #5

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I think you may have been reading too quickly. The actual quote is, "I will not pretend if I had to choose between Communism and Nazi-ism, I would choose Communism." (my emphasis).
ok, so now we have established that you have better reading comprehension skills, maybe try and address the real issue of the post?
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Communism purportedly treats all citizens as equals.

Nazism preyed upon and pitted one class of citizens against another.

Communism seeks to eliminate all distinctions separating people into classes.
Nazism seeks to amplify distinctions for the express purpose of de-legitimizing entire classes of people.
Actually the Nazis preached solidarity between the classes, and embraced a very populist approach. Their propaganda is filled with farmers carrying sheaves of wheat and sweaty guys wielding big hammers toiling away (usually frowning at some Jew bankers). Sometimes a picture says a thousand words about how they viewed class:

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Unlike the Bolsheviks, they did not preach class warfare but solidarity between the classes.

I'm not a big fan of the Marxism/socialism = Nazism silliness (I'm a bit of a Marxist myself, actually) but I do think there are definite parallels between Bolshevism (Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin and by extension, Maoism and all other forms of state communism) and Nazism.

You can trace the "wedding" back to Georges Sorel.
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ok, so now we have established that you have better reading comprehension skills, maybe try and address the real issue of the post?
Geez, what crawled up your keister? I don't feel any duty to address the sum totality of something. Whether I wish to address a minor fact as my contribution to the discussion, or participate more heavily, it's my decision, and none of your business, thankyou very much!
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Communism creates economic warfare between itself and Capitalism, as well as other types of global conflict.

Communism does not prevent class structures from forming.

Communism was still a hideous episode on the global horizon, but how still is it in "reality" and not in "ideology" any better then Nazism?
In "reality" it is not that different, except for the "official" nationalism issues.

Class structures are there alright, only instead of better educated nobility there are better placed officials.
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In "reality" it is not that different, except for the "official" nationalism issues.

Class structures are there alright, only instead of better educated nobility there are better placed officials.
i agree
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sabio: Even though "nazism" is IMO well-defined in both theory and practice, going through two stages (prewar, war), I think you first need to define what you mean "communism", because this term may encompass many different theories and practical systems. Marx's idea of communism was different from Lenin's idea of communism, Lenin's theory was different from what reality forced Lenin to do when he was ruling (of course he never regarded his rule in Russia as communism, or even socialism), Lenin's theory and rule were also different from system that was established when USSR was created after civil war ended (as one example, Lenin was against creation of USSR), this "bolshevik rule" was different from when Stalin took most of the power after 1928, Stalin's rule itself went through several stages that differed in some major points, Khrushchev's rule was again different, and so was Brezhnev's and Gorbachev's. And also there were non-USSR systems which you probably label "communism", that were much more different, even taking completely different course in some major questions (creation of agrarian society vs. industrialisation, dumbing down people vs. educating people, armed conflict with capitalism vs. economic competition, etc.).

It is simply not possible to pick any characteristics that would encompass all these forms of "communism". You need to first specify which "communism" you are talking about, and then I would be happy to answer your question and compare this system with nazism. Without doing so, your question is simply pointless.
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