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View Poll Results: Who was the better commander?
Togo Heihachiro (1848-1934) 10 100.00%
Yamamoto Isoroku (1884-1943) 0 0%
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 11:48 AM   #1

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Togo Heihachiro vs Yamamoto Isoroku: A Contrast


These two men are widely regarded as the brightest military minds in the history of the Imperial Japanese Navy, most famous for their planning and execution of the battles of Tsushima (1905) and Pearl Harbor (1941), respectively. But who do you consider to be the better commander, and why?
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 11:55 AM   #2

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I voted for Togo, because Yamamoto bears some responsibility for the debacle at Midway.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 12:07 PM   #3

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Yamamoto nullified the decade-long planning of the IJN for the One Great All-out Battle that they believed would mean a short war with the USN. The assumption was that the USN would sail through mines, torpedoes, bombs and gunfire to arrive in an attrited state and then present itself to a Japanese battleline that was close to home, fully fueled and supplied and rested. By rendering the US battleship useless at Pearl Harbor Yamamoto Isoruku guaranteed that this battle would not occur.

Tōgō won his war, Yamamoto lost his.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 12:15 PM   #4

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Have to go with Togo. If Yamamoto managed to win at Midway I'd be voting for him though, he was Japan's best strategist at the time.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 12:24 PM   #5

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Have to go with Togo. If Yamamoto managed to win at Midway I'd be voting for him though, he was Japan's best strategist at the time.
If he hadn't had a penchant for over-planning I might agree with Yamamoto. But the IJN never really got over the habit of expecting the enemy to do what they wanted them to do.
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If he hadn't had a penchant for over-planning I might agree with Yamamoto.
You're not wrong on this, I haven't heard any convincing justifications for spreading his carriers all over the northern Pacific before Midway. Conventional wisdom used to classify the move as a diversion, but from what I know that's been laid to rest now.

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But the IJN never really got over the habit of expecting the enemy to do what they wanted them to do.
Hey, at least things went to plan one time, thanks to Halsey.
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Being fair to Yamamoto Japanese code was broken.
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Being fair to Yamamoto Japanese code was broken.
There were a variety of reasons for the Japanese defeat at Midway and plain bad luck was chief among them, but it was still a sloppy operation.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 03:28 PM   #9

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My vote here goes to Togo.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 03:32 PM   #10

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So, on the one hand, we are going with the individual's who won one of Japan's greatest naval victories. On the other, we have to guy who was largely involved in Japan's greatest naval defeat since the days of Yi-sun Sin. Is this really a contest?
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