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Old August 14th, 2015, 08:45 PM   #1
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How would you rank Oda Nobunaga as a general?


Oda Nobunaga was one of the leading figures in 16th Century Japan and one of the most important people in the countries history. His campaigns helped united Japan during the warrin states period, but how would you rank him as a general?
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Old August 15th, 2015, 02:17 AM   #2

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I rank him very highly. He was one of the greatest warlords of the Sengoku Jidai, and he was perfectly capable of adapting; his progressive use of firearms being one such example. His only battlefield loss of note was against Uesugi Kenshin at Tedorigawa and he did have some trouble fighting the Ikko-ikki sect monks, who were ably supported by the naval expert Mori clan, but they were both defeated after a long campaign.

He was ruthless and maybe made some bad decisions (at least in my opinion) in regards to Azai Nagamasa and his sister, Oichi, but his general battlefield decisions were spot-on.

I give him a 9, and I very rarely give above an 8.
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He seemed to me to have been the most innovative and consistent battlefield commander of the period, and an excellent strategist as well. Ieyasu and Hideyoshi were better at politics, but that's had hardly a degradation for Nobunaga.
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I rank him highly as a leader. It's virtually impossible to accurately gauge him though, as a general or otherwise, due to the inconsistent and poor quality nature of Japanese history. For one thing, the number of sources are meagre. Ancient Rome was thousands of years ago, yet we know much more about ancient Rome than we do about medieval Japan. Secondly, the sources are horribly uniform, vague and biased. Again, we find better quality sources, with more variance, in the ancient world. Thirdly, sources from the period are notoriously unreliable because of the style of Japanese history. One moment Yoshitsune will be journeying to a temple, the next moment he'll slay a dragon he found there before resuming on his journey. Obviously that was a somewhat earlier period, but things hadn't gotten a lot better by the time of Nobunaga.
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Innovative, ruthless, ambitious and adaptive, he had what it takes to be a successful general. If only his politic stat was higher, he could have become the best military leader of Japan (oh wait, I think he is).
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Very highly indeed. He recognised and was willing to embrace the use of unfamiliar weapons in new ways and was able to attract capable subordinates like Hideyoshi, Ieyasu and Shibata Katsuie to his side.

He was quite fair to those who submitted to him, but woe betide those who stood in his way.

If he had had the political acumen and charm of Hideyoshi, and the patience and longevity of Ieyasu, he might well have become something even greater. I suspect Nobunaga would have fared rather better in Korea than Hideyoshi did.
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Very highly indeed. He recognised and was willing to embrace the use of unfamiliar weapons in new ways and was able to attract capable subordinates like Hideyoshi, Ieyasu and Shibata Katsuie to his side.

He was quite fair to those who submitted to him, but woe betide those who stood in his way.

If he had had the political acumen and charm of Hideyoshi, and the patience and longevity of Ieyasu, he might well have become something even greater. I suspect Nobunaga would have fared rather better in Korea than Hideyoshi did.
Nobunaga probably would have been more likely to attend more to matters in Korea personally, in which case, yes, it probably would have gone better. Hideyoshi's actions regarding Korea were probably among the very few flaws of his grand strategy. Unfortunately, Nobunaga's 'Brutus', Mitsuhide, had other plans.
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Nobunaga probably would have been more likely to attend more to matters in Korea personally, in which case, yes, it probably would have gone better. Hideyoshi's actions regarding Korea were probably among the very few flaws of his grand strategy. Unfortunately, Nobunaga's 'Brutus', Mitsuhide, had other plans.
There seemed to be a lot of in fighting between his generals iirc, which wouldn't have been there if he went there personally, but when Yi Shin Sun was cleverly sidelined by Hideyoshi, he destroyed the Korean fleet in battle for the first time.

Shimazu Yoshihiro (one of my favourite Samurai, I will unashamedly declare ) displayed the most skill of the Japanese commanders, during that war, imo.
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