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Old September 4th, 2015, 03:42 PM   #101

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What you have written shows that the Tiger I was not overated, accelerate the development of the designs meant to counter Tiger I? Every German tank engaged is reported as a Tiger? the tank terrified the Western allies, post war tank development by the British and USA was based on the Tiger experience. The fact it did not scare the Russians as much is because they had decent tanks, and the huge open spaces of the eastern front favoured the more mobile vehicles. As a defensive weapon, the Tiger I was unmatched. Go forward 20 years and the British produced an improved Tiger, it was called Chieftain.
When the Russians tested the Tiger I (they actually seized some of them very early), they got really scared, and started to develope the IS family.

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and I know of an action where 5 Tigers were lost to Sherman's without any lost to the Sherman's.
They lost Shermans as is was written in records. "Several Canadian Shermans are knocked out. Right outside of Gaumesnil, the 3rd Platoon of A Squadron of the 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry open fire from the flank. 5 Tigers are sets on fire."
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and I know of an action where 5 Tigers were lost to Sherman's without any lost to the Sherman's.
What is this engagement?

Was this an airstrike or were the tanks driven by 16 year olds?

Also, that is a picture of Wittmans tank...
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I was curious why the Sherman wasn't upgraded or replaced during WW2, because most documentaries mention the inferiority of the Sherman. I found this on Wikipedia:
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The tank destroyer doctrine played a large role in the lack of urgency in improving the firepower of the M4 Sherman, as the emphasis was on its role as infantry support
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Sherman

So I was wondering if the tank destroyer document was correct. Also I wondered if the assembly line production methods and importance of transport by train and ship made it more difficult for the US to manufacture and deliver upgraded tanks? Meanwhile the Germans may have used more flexible manufacturing techniques and had shorter transport?
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What is this engagement?

Was this an airstrike or were the tanks driven by 16 year olds?

Also, that is a picture of Wittmans tank...
Indeed, it is a picture of Wittmann's tank, because this is the engagement where Wittmann drove his unit of 7 Tigers into an ambush, and 5 of them paid the price, including Wittmann himself.
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I was curious why the Sherman wasn't upgraded or replaced during WW2
It was, the US 76mm M1 gun was introduced into Sherman production in late 1943, this gave it some capability against the heavy German tanks, and when the HVAP ammo was introduced in late 44 it's armour penetration capability was almost as good as the British 17 pdr.
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They lost Shermans as is was written in records. "Several Canadian Shermans are knocked out. Right outside of Gaumesnil, the 3rd Platoon of A Squadron of the 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry open fire from the flank. 5 Tigers are sets on fire."
But they weren't lost in the action where the Tigers were lost.
Also the Northamptonshire Yeomanry were in front of the Tigers, not on the flank.
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Indeed, it is a picture of Wittmann's tank, because this is the engagement where Wittmann drove his unit of 7 Tigers into an ambush, and 5 of them paid the price, including Wittmann himself.
First of all, Wittmann did not lead the engagement, he decided to participate because he though(apparently rightly so) that the company commander is inexperienced.

Ah I see, they were ambushed by three Squadrons of tanks, that is what, 3 tanks per Troop, 4 troops per Squadron, 3 Squadrons...36 tanks?

Actually 42 if we count the 2 tanks per Squadron HQ.

So 42 or 36 against 7 and it was an ambush, a trap...though so was Wittmanns previous engagement that gave him his glory.
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But they weren't lost in the action where the Tigers were lost.
There were lost in action against Wittmann's Tigers. They attacked Canadian 4th Amoured Division. Then pressed on eastwards against Northamptonshire Yeomanry blasting Shermans as he went. Wittmann pressed on towards St Aignan-de-Cramesnil. Outnumbered and outgunned, and A Squadron waiting in ambush, he lost.
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