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Old August 31st, 2015, 09:56 AM   #11
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The problems with the drive train of the Panther were never fully solved. It doesn't matter how many you produce, it matters how many you can keep in the field.
The original design for the Panther was for a front mounted transmission. Due to shortages the early models used the Tigers rear mounted unit which caused most of the problems. Once this practice ceased so did the problems.
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Are you sure about that. I would have said the Pz IV was the most produced.
You're right. Forgive me, I thought I read somewhere it was the Panther. The Panther was produced in greater numbers than the Tiger, 5X more about.
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I wouldn't be surprised. The Tiger was too heavy, not all that fast and awful to maintain. ?
The Tigers speed was pretty comparable with other tanks of the period.
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You're right. Forgive me, I thought I read somewhere it was the Panther. The Panther was produced in greater numbers than the Tiger, 5X more about.
Ye, I think there were about 6,000 Panthers and just over 1,300 Tigers. I think the Pz IV was about 8,000, but not sure if that includes all the variants.
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I wouldn't be surprised. The Tiger was too heavy, not all that fast and awful to maintain. And while they did well against tanks like the Sherman (you needed some 5 of those cooperating to bring one down) or pretty much any British tin can, it wasn't all that a big deal in the East. But I like how the (Tiger) II looked, both the regular and Porsche turrett version. Considering performance I don't know which one did better, I wouldn't be surprised it was the Panther? Probably more agile aswell?
Modified Panzer IVs probably would've been sufficient to sustain the German war effort, or even upgrade the Panzer III design too.

I sometimes wonder why they didn't upgrade the Panzer III design too. Does anybody know?
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The Tiger certainly is. In almost every way. Never took much interest in the Panther, so I can't say.
The Tigers big advantage like a lot of German Tanks lay in the Turret with probably the best overall gun of the war and excellent optics. The Germans maintained this lead in Gunnery and optics throughout the war and to a large extent still do.
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Everyone agrees that the Tiger was overrated, except the poor devils who came up against one in a Sherman!
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Thank god they didn't really bring out the Maus.
Amen. Me and my friend like to joke about the first bomber pilot that sees one. "I'm getting a medal for this one!"
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The Tigers speed was pretty comparable with other tanks of the period.
I don't know, I always had the impression it was somewhat slower due to the big weight and all. But the Russian ones were faster, because of a better suspension, weren't they?
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Amen. Me and my friend like to joke about the first bomber pilot that sees one. "I'm getting a medal for this one!"
Yeah, forget the Dam busters ...
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