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Old November 16th, 2015, 07:33 AM   #31
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They considered themselves to be ruled by a divine king with a line stretching back 2,600 years or so. This gave them the right to be masters over the rest of east Asia. Not that much different than NSDAP.
Absolutism and the Divine Right of Kings is substantially different than any 19th or 20th political ideologies, including National Socialism.



Overall, they're right of course, it was victor's justice; but that's what happens when you lose a war, you get ravaged by the enemy, that's why it's best not to start wars you can't win. But even though I might agree with the Japanese in theory, this seems like a poorly timed move. Wouldn't it be better to invest this political capital in something that will achieve tangible benefits, like the full rearmament of Japan and the construction of a proper carrier fleet?
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I don't see it that way, but it appears to be a matter of opinion, so I won't pursue it further.
Ok I don't agree with Japan getting a pass, but was meely thinking why its different from Germany. Germany has an easier time let go of its past certainly.
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Ok I don't agree with Japan getting a pass, but was meely thinking why its different from Germany. Germany has an easier time let go of its past certainly.
Japan hasn't gotten past anything, insofar as I can tell.
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Absolutism and the Divine Right of Kings is substantially different than any 19th or 20th political ideologies, including National Socialism.
Gekokujo is very fascistic. And that was driving the Jūgonen Sensō.
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Overall, they're right of course, it was victor's justice; but that's what happens when you lose a war, you get ravaged by the enemy, that's why it's best not to start wars you can't win. But even though I might agree with the Japanese in theory, this seems like a poorly timed move. Wouldn't it be better to invest this political capital in something that will achieve tangible benefits, like the full rearmament of Japan and the construction of a proper carrier fleet?
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Overall, they're right of course, it was victor's justice; but that's what happens when you lose a war, you get ravaged by the enemy, that's why it's best not to start wars you can't win. But even though I might agree with the Japanese in theory, this seems like a poorly timed move. Wouldn't it be better to invest this political capital in something that will achieve tangible benefits, like the full rearmament of Japan and the construction of a proper carrier fleet?
Considering China is rising, you might think they would focus on that, and not ticking off both their potential enemies AND their allies at the same time .
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What do our Japanophiles think of this?
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Sounds right.

My friends at Tokyo U. are a bit perturbed by this.
Glossing over their WWII history in school books is a very short-sighted (or should I say backward-looking) policy. I belive this has been avoided in Germany. I'm a bit worried by how often I use Wikipedia as a source here, but here is their entry on Japanese history books in schools and the controvercy surrounding them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japane..._controversies

Japan (or the Japanese people) was actually tipped as a major contender for the Nobel peace prize because of their bann on nuclear weapons and their non-agression laws on the use of their military. In light of what I've read on this thread I hope they won't get the peace prize in the near future.
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attempting and sometimes successfully rehabilitating executed axis ww2 war criminals is not unheared, at least i know cases in the former commie block countries after the 90s, there were and still are ongoing procedures (i think the most recent court rehabilitation were/are in Serbia for Draza Mihailovic and Milan Nedic this year but i don't want to single them out, happened in other countries too). I have mixed feelings on the subject, often the original trials were really below any normal legal standards and going against the principles of law and wouldn't stand now but then they are pointless by now from the perspective of the convicts (who could probably deserve death penalty with fair trial too). of course in reality it is about the revisions of historical narratives and it is each country's sovereign right how they handle it for their internal consumption.
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The only hope I have is that the zaibatsu keep doing better than the gumbatsu. I would be worried if they teamed up, very worried.
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Sorta/kinda related.

(Japanese Army Cobra's in anime camo.)

(I won a full loadout for a Cobra in a Navy Relief Society raffle once. I got to waste a small part of the Pacific. I was offered $5,000 for that ticket. I declined. TRIGGER TIME!)
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