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Old November 16th, 2015, 08:54 AM   #41

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What do our Japanophiles think of this?
They probably view it the same way our Germanophiles view Nazis and WW2.
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I also found this BBC article on Japanese history teaching and the second world war very interesting:

What Japanese history lessons leave out - BBC News
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Old November 16th, 2015, 09:02 AM   #43
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Gekokujo is very fascistic. And that was driving the Jūgonen Sensō.
That movement was largely defeated in the wake of the February 26th Incident. The faction in the military that seized control of the government afterwards was part of the old guard. The government in Japan was very conservative, but it was hardly fascist; it was a royalist government through and through.

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The only hope I have is that the zaibatsu keep doing better than the gumbatsu. I would be worried if they teamed up, very worried.
Does it matter? Japan is militarily, diplomatically, economically, and financially dependent on the United States and faced with a powerful China across the sea. They're not going to turn on us, so we're free to encourage, then safely redirect any emerging nationalism against our mutual rivals in the region (i.e. China).

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That movement was largely defeated in the wake of the February 26th Incident.
Really? Because they were still going strong on August 14th, 1945.
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I also found this BBC article on Japanese history teaching and the second world war very interesting:

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Bookmarked.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 09:38 AM   #46

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What do I think?

I think that by the standards of Nuremberg, most of those convicted at the Tokyo tribunal were guilty of war crimes. Some were probably not, such as Shigemitsu Mamorua and Hirota Koki.

On the other hand, there were many officers who were not tried, such as Lieutenant General Ishii Shiro, who should have been.
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On the other hand, there were many officers who were not tried, such as Lieutenant General Ishii Shiro, who should have been.
Thats excellent. Perhaps its a step creating a better relationship with its neighbours. Ishii Shiro should have been tried.
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They considered themselves to be ruled by a divine king with a line stretching back 2,600 years or so. This gave them the right to be masters over the rest of east Asia. Not that much different than NSDAP.
And yet both before and towards the end of the war, the "divine" Emperor was the subject of several assassination attempts, and pressure from the military. Quite clearly, the military who were driving the conquest didn't consider him divine.
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Thats excellent. Perhaps its a step creating a better relationship with its neighbours. Ishii Shiro should have been tried.
Yes, but like Werner Von Braun, he had something of value to the Allies.
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Really? Because they were still going strong on August 14th, 1945.
Not really, that coup failed too. The junior officers, despite the sympathies of the populace, never managed to gain substantial influence in the government. It wasn't a fascist system anymore than the Kaiser's government in WWI was fascist, it was a conservative monarchy with an influential military faction, just like Germany in WWI.
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