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Old December 22nd, 2015, 10:59 AM   #61
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I have to say this and I apologise in advance. The German and the French had a habit of wearing funny hats! They held themselves as if the had brooms up their bums. Don't get me wrong, the Hugenot part of me loves the French. particularly Bretons. But take your average Breton and he knows that he has an immovable place in the scheme of things.
The French often look as if they are challenging people to say they don't belong in a place so they look all stiff and uncomfortable.
Now my mate Didier was French Special Forces. He could afford to be relaxed and nice to everyone because he was ex French Special Forces and nobody wanted to be on the wrong side of him.
So that is it. We make jokes about the French Military because they look daft in uniform.

And we (The British Navy) sank their fleet before they could give it to the Germans.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 12:36 PM   #62
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I have to say this and I apologise in advance. The German and the French had a habit of wearing funny hats! They held themselves as if the had brooms up their bums. Don't get me wrong, the Hugenot part of me loves the French. particularly Bretons. But take your average Breton and he knows that he has an immovable place in the scheme of things.
The French often look as if they are challenging people to say they don't belong in a place so they look all stiff and uncomfortable.
Now my mate Didier was French Special Forces. He could afford to be relaxed and nice to everyone because he was ex French Special Forces and nobody wanted to be on the wrong side of him.
So that is it. We make jokes about the French Military because they look daft in uniform.

And we (The British Navy) sank their fleet before they could give it to the Germans.
I think everybody else in the world thinks it's the Britons who a broom in a wrong orifice (at least every frenchman, italian and spanish I ever happened to speak about them). About the hat thing, the french military invented the beret, which is the most common military headwear in the world.

About Mers-el-Kebir, it was a very big mistake by Churchill : it infuriated french people and it was unnecessary (At Toulon in 1942, the French Navy sank its own ships rather than give them to the Germans).
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 02:05 PM   #63
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I can't no longuer resist.
I don't care what about some people think about French, but i can't let them falsify history.

1/ About Mers el Kebir.
It was a big shaim for British who sank part of the fleet of their recent former allied without right reasons and killed many french sailors who didn't think having necessity to defend them against British, mainly after the French Dunkirk sacrifice.
It was an awfull act of panic.
British sailor felt very bad in Mers el Kebir.
It was absolutely not a glory day in British military history.

2/@ Order of the Dragon @Poly
You imagine French people as you want but actually you don't know French history.
I take example of one of your idea in one of your post.
For instance:
@Poly: To imagine that WWI was "really" a French defeat.....wow....what an "impressive" and "interesting" post! You have a lot of imagination.
To my own opinion you need to improve your knowledge about WWI history.

@Order of the Dragon: French resistance existed and it was more important than you say. Einsenower claimed it clearly. Plus don't forget Free French who fought since 1940 with allied, the same for French men engaged in British Army since 1940 .
You don't know French resistance history, you minimize it a lot.
Don't forget that Balkanics States were invaded only a few months before Barbarossa and this changed many things in the miltary European resistance in both Balkanics states and France.
Plus the SOE interventions were more important and more effective to help European resistance movements as from as 1941.

3/ It's not a bit funny how people make fun about French miltary but a lot bizarre!!!
@Poly @Order of the Dragon
I would be very bizarre to mock of American or Balkanic States neutrality in 1939 and 1940 in biased posts.
I would be very bizarre to mock of the allied about their defeats and failures in 1941, 1942, 1943 and 1944.
Moreover i would be a forger man of history.
Actually that's what you 're doing in your bizarre posts about French history.
I consider you don't realise this.

Then French bashing, no problem , bashing exists for many, many nations.
Benny Hill did an excellent one (for French and others) in his sketches.

But to falsify history: OUT OF QUESTION!!!!
Its not the good forum for that....
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 02:06 PM   #64
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I think everybody else in the world thinks it's the Britons who a broom in a wrong orifice (at least every frenchman, italian and spanish I ever happened to speak about them). About the hat thing, the french military invented the beret, which is the most common military headwear in the world.

About Mers-el-Kebir, it was a very big mistake by Churchill : it infuriated french people and it was unnecessary (At Toulon in 1942, the French Navy sank its own ships rather than give them to the Germans).
It may have proved to be unnecessary but their was no way Churchill could take the risk once the French admiral refused to sail his ships into friendly harbours. Those ships could have changed the game and made invasion a real possibility. I'm sure if we thought about this rationally most of us would do the same thing.
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It may have proved to be unnecessary but their was no way Churchill could take the risk once the French admiral refused to sail his ships into friendly harbours. Those ships could have changed the game and made invasion a real possibility. I'm sure if we thought about this rationally most of us would do the same thing.
Agreed but as Churchill told it :"it was the worst decision of all my life" (if my memory serves)..
History prooves that it was an error. Actually as i said in my post, it was an awful act of panic.

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Old December 22nd, 2015, 02:43 PM   #66
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Agreed but as Churchill told it :"it was the worst decision of all my life" (if my memory serves)..
History prooves that it was an error. Actually as i said in my post, it was an awful act of panic.
It was certainly no panic but cold and calculated. Everything possible was done to persuade the Admiral commanding to either sail to a friendly port or scuttle his ships. He refused point blank and the British commanders orders were to destroy said ships in those circumstances. Like I said there was no choice.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 02:53 PM   #67
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It's not the subject of this thread and i respect British and their history.
Don't forget that it's a little bit exagerated to say "everything possible was done to persuade....etc".... A big surprise for French who had only few hours to contact Paris and to take a major decision about their fleet in North Africa faced to Royal Navy ultimatum........They didn't expect such an agression! Plus british were not obliged to open fire so quickly. French fleet was blocked in her harbor, British could wait and give one more chance to a peaceful agreement as they did in Alexandria after a 4 days negociations...

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Old December 22nd, 2015, 04:27 PM   #68
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The Napoleonic Wars were a series of wars, and up until the invasion of Russia in 1812, the French won them. In fact if you look at all the wars that made up the Napoleonic Wars, the French had a winning record...

The issue was that the British kept the wars going and Napoleon's diplomacy was so poor that Austria, Prussia, and Russia were willing to fight Napoleon.

Yes, for long periods, Napoleon won glory for himself and France but the fact remains that it all ended in total defeat - twice

And yes that is more a reflection on Napoleon's bad strategic leadership than their prowess on the battlefield

That said, French armies were beaten in the East and the West of Europe
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 04:29 PM   #69
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...tell that to Foch...

If anything... the French probably did the MOST of any of the Western Allies to win WWI...

The British army was too small in 1914 and the Americans were too green in 1918.
The British army was certainly big enough by 1916....and in 1918 it beat the German army and won the war

French soldiers fought bravely as always but their army didn't win any significant offensive battles
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 04:32 PM   #70
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France, more than any other nation, was responsible for Allied victory in the First World War. It was French troops that stopped the Germans at the Marne, and 1914 was really the only time that Germany had a realistic shot of winning the war.

France also bore the brunt of the fighting on the Western Front for the first two years of the war. Prior to that the British contribution on the Western Front was comparatively small.

Yes France in 1914 fought a lot harder than it did in 1940....


But really their army was pummeled by the Germans until it mutinied and refused to carry out further offensive actions


The British won the war in the West in 1918...the French were exhausted
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