Tomato ketchup or catsap

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The best known makers of this amazing sauce are the Heinz company who began producing it in 1876. However, i have heard that it was originally made with mushrooms and only changed to tomato in the early 1800s. Is this true? Why is ketchup known as catsap in the US and is there a connection to the offensive Polish word for a Russian, Katsap (meaning "bearded")?
 
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Interesting choice for a topic.
I pronounce it "ketch-up" or almost sounding like "catch up". Not the "cathsup"
And oddly I do love me some ketchup but don't like toe-may-toes. :)
 
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I think the name issue was probably a copy right matter. Someone else wanted to produce a similar condiment and Heinz had been there first. Hunt's Catsup is what I can recall. I don't know what other types are available off hand.

I don't think it has anything to do with east European facial hair. :D
 
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I don't know if it's really an American thing. I know no one who calls it 'catsup' outside of a joke.
 
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By the early 18th century, the table sauce had made it to the Malay states (present day [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia"]Malaysia[/ame]), where it was discovered by British explorers, and by 1740, it had become an English staple.
Although today's ketchup is tomato based, it did not appear until about a century after other types. By 1801, a recipe for tomato ketchup was created by Sandy Addison and was later printed in an American cookbook, the Sugar House Book.[2] James Mease published another recipe in 1812. In 1824, a ketchup recipe using tomatoes appeared in The Virginia Housewife (an influential 19th-century cookbook written by Mary Randolph, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson"]Thomas Jefferson[/ame]'s cousin).
As the century progressed, tomato ketchup began its ascent in popularity in the United States, influenced by the American enthusiasm for tomatoes. Tomato ketchup was sold locally by farmers. A man named Jonas Yerks (or Yerkes) is believed to have been the first man to make tomato ketchup a national phenomenon. By 1837, he had produced and distributed the condiment nationally. Shortly thereafter, other companies followed suit. F. & J. Heinz launched their tomato ketchup in 1876. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Tomato_Ketchup"]Heinz tomato ketchup[/ame] was advertised: "Blessed relief for Mother and the other women in the household!", a slogan which alluded to the lengthy and onerous process required to produce tomato ketchup in the home.

Source: Ketchup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Catsap, Ketchup, comes from the Maly word for sauce: ketjap.
 
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We don't have ketchup in Australia. We have 'tomato sauce' which is similar but has more spices, more vinegar and less sugar. Australians tend to find most American processed food too sweet.

The tomato (aka love apple) a native plant of South America,was widely used traditionally in Meso America. In England from the sixteenth century. In Italy,it was sufficiently accepted to appear in a cook book in the seventeenth century.

Pity they didn't use dried tomatoes in navies;would have prevented scurvy.
 
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Border of GA and AL
Interesting choice for a topic.
I pronounce it "ketch-up" or almost sounding like "catch up". Not the "cathsup"
And oddly I do love me some ketchup but don't like toe-may-toes. :)

I don't like it but I say Ketchup, the same way as TJ does.
 
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The upper stages of lower life
I believe 'catsup' is used in certain parts of the US, but it does get confusing for those of us who grew up saying 'ketchup.'
 
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"A lot of ketchup is sold every year. Heinz® alone sells 11 billion single-serve packets and more than 650 million bottles every year. More than 2 million tons of tomatoes are squished by Heinz® each year.
Catch up with some facts:

  • Ketchup is classified under Part 155: Canned Vegetables at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
  • Ketchup wasn't originally a tomato-based product. Origins can be traced to a soy sauce-like substance in China. The English and Dutch brought it back to Europe, where the initial ketchup — or catsup — recipes included anchovies, ginger and lemon peel, among other ingredients.
  • The British didn't add tomatoes — ketchup in Britain traditionally is made from mushrooms.
  • The squeeze bottle for ketchup was invented by the same fellow who designed the peel-open packaging for Band-Aids®, Stanley Mason.
  • Ketchup isn't just a condimentcopper pots, pans and other items made of copper can be cleaned with ketchup."
from:How Much Ketchup Is Sold Each Year?
 
Joined Jul 2006
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UK
I think the name issue was probably a copy right matter. Someone else wanted to produce a similar condiment and Heinz had been there first. Hunt's Catsup is what I can recall. I don't know what other types are available off hand.

I don't think it has anything to do with east European facial hair. :D
So it wasn't invented by a Russian?
 
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All I know is they seem to make so sweet now that it hardly resembles what I grew up on. It used to be more vinegary and less sweet. Much better on fries.
 
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We don't have ketchup in Australia. We have 'tomato sauce' which is similar but has more spices, more vinegar and less sugar.

That's what they call it in the UK too and it drives me crazy because it clearly says ketchup on the bottle. Plus, how do you distinguish between that and actual tomato sauce, you know, the stuff that goes on pizza and pasta?

Australians tend to find most American processed food too sweet.

That's interesting because I swear the Ketchup in the UK is sweeter than it is in the US - even Heinz brand.

But doesn't matter to me because I don't use it anymore anyway - mayonnaise is far better.

Oh and I pronounce it "catch-up" - I'm from PA.
 
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Around here, some people call it "red sauce", which always struck me as being a little strange.
 
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interestingly, Kecap is not Ketchup.

Kecap is soy sauce.
Ketchup is Saus Tomat
The way i get it, Kecap today is a soy sauce, kecap, originally would refer to the fermented sauces specific to the South East Asian region.
 
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Around here, some people call it "red sauce", which always struck me as being a little strange.
To distinguish it from that other ketchup known as HP sauce, or "brown sauce"
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Plus, how do you distinguish between that and actual tomato sauce, you know, the stuff that goes on pizza and pasta?

We don't put tomato sauce on pizza,we use puree, tomato concentrate paste or even fresh tomatoes.

Pasta sauce is not called tomato sauce,each sauce has its own name.There are literally dozens.EG bolognaise, putnesca, venezzia, marinara, fungi, carbonara,etc etc etc,
 

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