7/7 London Bombings...MI5 and MOSSAD???

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Ancientgeezer

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Nov 2011
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Admitted by who?
Oh yeah, they were, but having people as informers is different from having them as your puppets to stage false flag operations. Dump these allegations in a bottomless bucket because like it they hold no water
Not just informers. Freddie Scappaticci aka agent Steak Knife was the head or IRA internal security and responsible for a number of murders.
A judicial enquiry currently in Dublin revealed a dossier has been supplied to the Irish authorities by a former British Intelligence Agent that inter alia, suggests:-

  • The shadowy Force Research Unit (FRU) had a file on suspected rogue gardai prepared to pass information to the IRA and act as its agents. MI5 also had a network of agents with the Garda.
  • The IRA had a network of informants in public agencies such as social security offices and vehicle licensing departments.
  • One in four IRA members was an agent, rising to one in two among senior members.
  • Martin McGuinness was involved in all strategic military decisions taken by the IRA.
Half of all top IRA men 'worked for security services' - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/may/12/northernireland.northernireland1


http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA358989
 
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Naomasa298

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Ah, conspiracy theories. We've all heard about how the Freemasons, Illuminati, Communists, Jews, Muslims, Aliens, etc. are carrying out crazy plots to control every national government and take over the world. Give me a break!
Don't forget Mormons.
 
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I'm amazed by how often the fact is trotted out that there was a drill about terrorist attacks happening on the tube at the same time as terrorist attacks actually happened. Yes, it's an interesting coincidence, but why is it taken as evidence of anything significant?

To be clear, this was not an official drill being performed by the government as is often implied. It was a drill being done by a private firm. They hired some consultants to carry out a preparedness drill with their managers.

This means that, unlike the conspiracy theorists imply, this drill didn't involve anything actually happening on the London Underground. The drill consisted of some managers at this firm sitting in a room in an office block with some consultants. In this room, they role-played how they would respond to a terrorist attack on the tubes.

What, exactly, are MI5/the CIA/the Illuminati/the Jews/whoever-else-you-hold-responsible supposed to have acheived by this? Was the girlfriend of one of the conspirators working at the company carrying out the drill, so he managed to secretly arrange this in order that experts in disaster preparedness would be on hand at her office, just in case? What other relevance could this odd coincidence possibly have to the question of who was responsible?
 

PM96

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Feb 2012
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Alexander the Great? Gengis Khan? Hitler? Roman Emperors? Napoleon? Charlemagne? Mohamed? Pope?

Governments wanting to rule the world? ...never in recorded history. Give me a break!
I was listing the usual scapegoats mentioned in conspiracy theories, not historical figures who we all know about.
 
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I was listing the usual scapegoats mentioned in conspiracy theories, not historical figures who we all know about.
Which does not mean that there are no contemporary figures we do not know about -yet. To which organization, religion or ethnic group they belong is irrelevant. Gengis Khan used Mongols, Napoleon French and Alexander Macedonians to take over the world -or as much of it as possible.

I do not know if Iluminaty, Jews or Aliens want to take over the world. But I know one thing -that conspirational theories are principally right in assumption that there are or could be people or groups who want to take over it.

That is common historical knowledge after all.
 

Gudenrath

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Not just informers. Freddie Scappaticci aka agent Steak Knife was the head or IRA internal security and responsible for a number of murders.
A judicial enquiry currently in Dublin revealed a dossier has been supplied to the Irish authorities by a former British Intelligence Agent that inter alia, suggests:-

  • The shadowy Force Research Unit (FRU) had a file on suspected rogue gardai prepared to pass information to the IRA and act as its agents. MI5 also had a network of agents with the Garda.
  • The IRA had a network of informants in public agencies such as social security offices and vehicle licensing departments.
  • One in four IRA members was an agent, rising to one in two among senior members.
  • Martin McGuinness was involved in all strategic military decisions taken by the IRA.
Half of all top IRA men 'worked for security services' - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

He did the IRA's dirty work for 25 years - and was paid £80,000 a year by the government | UK news | The Guardian


http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA358989
It is all very interesting, but the information is based solely on this one dossier by that particular informer who very much needed to provide spectacular revelations in his sticky situation.
 

jackydee

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Which does not mean that there are no contemporary figures we do not know about -yet. To which organization, religion or ethnic group they belong is irrelevant. Gengis Khan used Mongols, Napoleon French and Alexander Macedonians to take over the world -or as much of it as possible.

I do not know if Iluminaty, Jews or Aliens want to take over the world. But I know one thing -that conspirational theories are principally right in assumption that there are or could be people or groups who want to take over it.

That is common historical knowledge after all.
This is all well and good. On one level conspiracy theories are all fun & games. On another level they are dangerous. Take Loose Change for example. There you had a documentary that claimed Al Qaeda did not attack the World Trade Centre. Assuming Loose Change convinced 10% of its viewers of this fact. That's an awful lot of people who now believe Al Qaeda are of little or no danger to the West. Thats a lot of people who are now no longer on the lookout for dodgy looking Muslims wearing backpacks at the Boston Marathon. Thats an awful lot of people who now think an Arab behaving oddly on the tube is no longer a danger to them.
 

jackydee

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It is all very interesting, but the information is based solely on this one dossier by that particular informer who very much needed to provide spectacular revelations in his sticky situation.
Neither does it tell us how long these informers were working for us. Assume some bod who has been in the IRA for 20 odd years gets picked up by MI5, threatened with life imprisonment, gets turned, then works for MI5 for a year or so. That's not exactly cleaning his slate with us.
 

Ancientgeezer

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It is all very interesting, but the information is based solely on this one dossier by that particular informer who very much needed to provide spectacular revelations in his sticky situation.
No, not one source. Dozens. There have even been two films made about Snakeknife and more and more info emerges.
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In a recent TV documentary on how Sinn Fein in performing in government in Northern Ireland one former female IRA and Sinn Fein member accused "so many members" of the leadership were working for the British and when point blank asked about McGuiness, she stared at the camera and said "to the very top!"

Now here is something odd on the same lines. It was admitted yesterday that the accused in the Lee Rigby murder were "known" to the authorities. Last night an associate of one of those accused was interviewed by the BBC. He explained how the man had not just been approached by Mi-5, but how they had tried to recruit him. As the man finished his interview he was collared by the cops and whisked out of the studios in the early hours of this morning--the cops will merely say that his arrest is "unconnected" with the Rigby matter. Funny place and time for an arrest.
 
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