A Forgotten History Of Indo-Sino relations !

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RE-KINDLING THE "OLD FLAME" TO BURN !

Hu Shih, a former Ambassador of China to USA once said “India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.” In Spiritual and Philosophical terms, that is very true. You can either include the other in yourself by Conquering, or by Embrace. ! What Hu Shih talks about was the Political inclusion by the Art of Embrace which the present PM of India has the expertise and the experience with the global leaders :)

[ Pic Above-San Long, a resident of Chedian village, offers prayers at the village shrine, which houses a deity that is believed to be one of their goddesses that the Tamil trader community in Quanzhou worshipped in the 13th century]
China as a distinct geographical entity has been mentioned in Hindu Scriptures since a long time. China had been called "Cina "in Mahabharat for example. Interestingly, people from Cina came along with the Kiratas (people from modern day Nepal) to join the Army of Bhagadatta of Pragjyotisaor modern day Assam.Later on, when the Pandavas go to the Himalayas after the war, they go all the way near Badrinath and cross over into the land of Cina via the kingdom of Kirata king Subahu.
This Interaction between Indian and the Chinese people has gone on for a long time since then. The flow of Spirituality and even philosophy happened during these years as well.Some say that the impact of the concept of Yakshas and the Hanuman (in the Chinese character Sun Wukong) is very visible in many Chinese folk lores.
But interestingly it was in the the last millennia that the Hindus of India went over in China for trade and created temples, which have stood all these years and still being worshipped by the local residents. For example, in the village of Chedian, where a Goddess is still worshipped as a form of "Guanyin", the female Bodhisattva. A local resident, Li San Long, said that “This is possibly one of those temples in China where we are still praying to a Hindu God” .This temple is not an isolated example, but most possibly a part of the larger network of temples that were created by Indian traders over a thousand years ago.
The history of Quanzhou’s temples and Tamil links was largely forgotten until the 1930s, when dozens of stones showing perfectly rendered images of the god Narasimha — the man-lion avatar of Vishnu — were unearthed by a Quanzhou Archaeologist called Wu Wenliang. Elephant statues and images narrating mythological stories related to Vishnu and Shiva were also found, bearing a style and pattern that was almost identical to what was evident in the temples of Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh from a similar period.
Wu’s discoveries received little attention at the time as his country was slowly emerging from the turmoil of the Japanese occupation, the Second World War and the civil war. It took more than a decade after the Communists came to power in 1949 for the stones and statues to even be placed in a museum, known today as the Quanzhou Maritime Museum.

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Hindu Relics collected from various Quanzhou Temples are kept in From Quanzhou Maritime Museum.



 
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BUDDHISM IN CHINA AND TIBET!
Hindu philosophies or spiritual practices had left hadly any mark in Chinese cultural or religious traditions, unlike some other SE Asian countries, But Buddhism had a major impact in China sunsequently in Korea and Japan Especially the Mahayana Buddhism ! Buddhism was transmitted from India to China around the second century of the Common Era and to Tibet in the seventh or eighth century CE. Because of distinctive cultural influences and modes of thought, such as Confucianism and Daoism in China and the Bon religion in Tibet, Hence the Chinese and the Tibetan Buddhism both gradually blossomed into very many distinctive forms of Buddhism by merging with the local religious and cultural traditions Including the famous "Chan Religious Schools" in China and Zen in Japan ! I guess !!

I must admit my knowledge and understanding about the history of "Chinese Buddhism" is very much limited and I would like to hear more information about other posters from this forum !

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rvsakhadeo

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RE-KINDLING THE "OLD FLAME" TO BURN !

Hu Shih, a former Ambassador of China to USA once said “India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.” In Spiritual and Philosophical terms, that is very true. You can either include the other in yourself by Conquering, or by Embrace. ! What Hu Shih talks about was the Political inclusion by the Art of Embrace which the present PM of India has the expertise and the experience with the global leaders :)

[ Pic Above-San Long, a resident of Chedian village, offers prayers at the village shrine, which houses a deity that is believed to be one of their goddesses that the Tamil trader community in Quanzhou worshipped in the 13th century]
China as a distinct geographical entity has been mentioned in Hindu Scriptures since a long time. China had been called "Cina "in Mahabharat for example. Interestingly, people from Cina came along with the Kiratas (people from modern day Nepal) to join the Army of Bhagadatta of Pragjyotisaor modern day Assam.Later on, when the Pandavas go to the Himalayas after the war, they go all the way near Badrinath and cross over into the land of Cina via the kingdom of Kirata king Subahu.
This Interaction between Indian and the Chinese people has gone on for a long time since then. The flow of Spirituality and even philosophy happened during these years as well.Some say that the impact of the concept of Yakshas and the Hanuman (in the Chinese character Sun Wukong) is very visible in many Chinese folk lores.
But interestingly it was in the the last millennia that the Hindus of India went over in China for trade and created temples, which have stood all these years and still being worshipped by the local residents. For example, in the village of Chedian, where a Goddess is still worshipped as a form of "Guanyin", the female Bodhisattva. A local resident, Li San Long, said that “This is possibly one of those temples in China where we are still praying to a Hindu God” .This temple is not an isolated example, but most possibly a part of the larger network of temples that were created by Indian traders over a thousand years ago.
The history of Quanzhou’s temples and Tamil links was largely forgotten until the 1930s, when dozens of stones showing perfectly rendered images of the god Narasimha — the man-lion avatar of Vishnu — were unearthed by a Quanzhou Archaeologist called Wu Wenliang. Elephant statues and images narrating mythological stories related to Vishnu and Shiva were also found, bearing a style and pattern that was almost identical to what was evident in the temples of Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh from a similar period.
Wu’s discoveries received little attention at the time as his country was slowly emerging from the turmoil of the Japanese occupation, the Second World War and the civil war. It took more than a decade after the Communists came to power in 1949 for the stones and statues to even be placed in a museum, known today as the Quanzhou Maritime Museum.

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Hindu Relics collected from various Quanzhou Temples are kept in From Quanzhou Maritime Museum.



Most fascinating to see the stone panels displayed in your post ! Extraordinary relics is all I can say ! The Elephant is putting the lotus flower on the Shiva lingam as a mark of worship.There is the Puranic story of an elephant bathing in a lake and then getting caught in the jaws of a crocodile, praying to Lord Vishnu for rescue and offering a lotus as a mark of worship. The Lord Vishnu rescues him by killing the crocodile. But in this panel, it is to the God Shiva that the elephant is offering the lotus !
In the other panel, it is apparently the Lord Dhanvantari, god of Medicine who is seen pounding the medicine preparation ( or it could be simply Lord Vishnu killing a demon ! )
 
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Devdas

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China is an atheist state now, so past cultural heritage would mean nothing to Chinese communists. India should be wary of Chinese intentions in the region, recently, Chinese ended up colonizing Hambantotta of Sri Lanka using the debt trap.
 
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Chola King's Trade Delegation To Song Dynasty --Enduring Ancient link with China :)

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As the second informal summit between Prime minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping is set to kick-off at Mamallapuram on October 11,and there is a renewed interest on Tamil Nadu's Ancient link with China!.
Asked about the ancient links, a noted Archaeologist S Ramachandran said the Tamil people had a long historical connection with China "During the reign of the Song Dynasty (960-1279), RajaRaja Chola the Great sent a delegation to China by 1014 following a representation from the Chinese rulers, seeking trade ties"!
It is widely believed that Bodhi Dharma, a Pallava prince from Kanchiprum who introduced Zen Buddhism, went to China from the Port of Mamallapuram !
An inscription found in the Shiva temple in Avinashi in Tirupur district (Circa 13th Century) has reference to Chinese umbrellas made of imported white Chinese silk. In Tamil, such umbrellas were commonly known as"Venkotra Kudai."
There is even a view that during Sangam age (2000 years ago) king Athiyaman's ancestors introduced sugarcane from China to the Tamil Land.The Tamil word "Cheeni", meaning sugar in Tamil , may also have an etymological origin related to China,"

"SONG" HAS ENDED LONG AGO BUT THE MELODY LINGERS ON IN CHENNAI :D


 
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Aupmanyav

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Perhaps not. We can still be friends. Let us see how Modi-Xi Jinping meeting goes tomorrow. China needs to prop up Pakistan for various reasons. But at least we can assure China of our position. And, of course, try to improve trade and trade balance. Old relations were perhaps the reason for Jinping's desire to visit Tamilnadu. And Mamallapuram is beautiful.
 

rvsakhadeo

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Perhaps not. We can still be friends. Let us see how Modi-Xi Jinping meeting goes tomorrow. China needs to prop up Pakistan for various reasons. But at least we can assure China of our position. And, of course, try to improve trade and trade balance. Old relations were perhaps the reason for Jinping's desire to visit Tamilnadu. And Mamallapuram is beautiful.
What happens to the Aksai Chin area swallowed by the PRC in 1962 skirmish ? And the area recently gifted by Pakistan from the POK to the PRC ?
 

rvsakhadeo

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Sep 2012
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Perhaps not. We can still be friends. Let us see how Modi-Xi Jinping meeting goes tomorrow. China needs to prop up Pakistan for various reasons. But at least we can assure China of our position. And, of course, try to improve trade and trade balance. Old relations were perhaps the reason for Jinping's desire to visit Tamilnadu. And Mamallapuram is beautiful.
What happens to the Aksai Chin swallowed by the PRC in the 1962 skirmish ? And to the piece of northern Kashmir gifted by Pakistan to the PRC ? Xi Jin Ping can make a good clean beginning by returning the Pakistan - gifted piece to India.
 

Devdas

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Perhaps not. We can still be friends. Let us see how Modi-Xi Jinping meeting goes tomorrow. China needs to prop up Pakistan for various reasons. But at least we can assure China of our position. And, of course, try to improve trade and trade balance. Old relations were perhaps the reason for Jinping's desire to visit Tamilnadu. And Mamallapuram is beautiful.
China must not be trusted, Chinese are one who are blocking sanctions against terrorists hiding in Pakistan.
 
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