A funny propaganda poster from the era of the French Revolution

sparky

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the Valois were a junior branch , Phillip of Valois was nephew of a king and cousin to three
their assumption of power was not contested at the time by anybody and was quite seamless

Louis XII was a cousin of Charles VIII , there was no drama then either

While France was torn apart by the religious wars , very few contested Henry de Bourbon dynastic rights
only his religion ,

This show the strength of the dynastic idea that even someone so far removed from the direct line
would be accepted as legitimate , as long as he was strictly following the law of succession
 
Sep 2016
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#42
the Valois were a junior branch , Phillip of Valois was nephew of a king and cousin to three
their assumption of power was not contested at the time by anybody and was quite seamless

Louis XII was a cousin of Charles VIII , there was no drama then either

While France was torn apart by the religious wars , very few contested Henry de Bourbon dynastic rights
only his religion ,

This show the strength of the dynastic idea that even someone so far removed from the direct line
would be accepted as legitimate , as long as he was strictly following the law of succession
That is all true. But how is that a bad thing or surprising ?
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
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#43
the point I was trying to make was that the French dynastic system was set in concrete
while the English one was edged with conditions , none less than the relationship of the King and country
in England the King was seen as a CEO send by God and possibly capable of being removed
in France the King WAS God ( in an imperfect human form )
to overthrow him ( always a male ) was inconceivable
once this fateful step was taken , like in Russia , his ultimate removal became a necessity for the revolutionary section

There was to be no turning back , ever
 
Sep 2016
1,127
Georgia
#44
the point I was trying to make was that the French dynastic system was set in concrete
while the English one was edged with conditions , none less than the relationship of the King and country
in England the King was seen as a CEO send by God and possibly capable of being removed
in France the King WAS God ( in an imperfect human form )
to overthrow him ( always a male ) was inconceivable
1. It has nothing to do with dynastic system. French Kings had to struggle for centuries against the other nobles to gain more power and authority. Even in 15th century Louis XI and his daughter had to fight against Coalition of Nobles : League of Public Weal in 1465 and Mad War in 1485 - 1488. League of Public Weal was even led by Charles the Bold, Count of Charolais and future Duke of Burgundy. Powerful Dukes of Burgundy also opposed French Kings in 100 Years War.
Dynastic system also didn't stop Parlementary Fronde in 1648. Tax levied on judicial officers of the Parlement of Paris provoked not merely a refusal to pay but also a condemnation of earlier financial edicts and a demand for the acceptance of a scheme of constitutional reforms framed by a united committee of the parlement (the Chambre Saint-Louis ).

Louis XIV later reduced the powers of the judicial bodies and asserted royal authority even more in 1661 - 1675. However, Louis spent more than 10 years to achieve that. Which is interesting and shows that power of the King still had limitations. Especially when it came to provinces and their Parlements. While Parlement of Paris was largely subdued by 1669, many provinces managed to hold on until 1675.

Not to mention, that Louis even failed to sentence Fouquet to death.

In 1715 after a much-heated session, the Parlement of Paris actually annulled Louis XIV's will and confirmed the Duke of Orléans as regent of France. So much for ,, the will of the GOD ''.

King Henry IV was also murdered in 1610 by Francois Ravaillac. Henry III was murdered in 1589 by Jacques Clement.

2. Civil War in 1642 didn't start with the goal of deposing or executing Charles I. Likewise, according to 1791 Constitution France was going to become a Constitutional Monarchy. In England also nobody could imagine that Parliament would dare to execute the King. Even that decision was made only after Pride's Purge in December of 1648. All those who were not supporters of Independents were forcibly removed from the Parliament by Colonel Thomas Pride.
 
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