A restoration of the French monarchy after a French defeat in WWI?

Futurist

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If France lost World War I, would there have been a realistic chance of the French monarchy being restored?

For the record, I am thinking of France losing World War I due to British neutrality in this war. Of course, this might require a somewhat later World War I--perhaps one which breaks out in 1917 rather than in 1914. That way, the Schlieffen Plan becomes outdated, Belgium is never invaded by Germany, and thus Britain remains neutral.

A useful way for World War I to break out in 1917 is to have Franz Ferdinand survive and then have the Hungarians try seceding from Austria-Hungary in 1917 after Franz Ferdinand comes to power. The Hungarians could ask Russia for help--or alternatively the Serbs and/or Romanians could try conquering (with Russian support) some Austro-Hungarian territory while Franz Ferdinand is distracted (for instance, Serbia could try making a move on Bosnia, Vojvodina, and Croatia). In both of these cases, World War I could break out.

Anyway, any thoughts on this?
 

Futurist

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For the record, the French monarchist logic here would be simple: "The French republicans pursued a policy of confrontation rather than cooperation with Germany for almost half a century and thus resulted in France getting its butt kicked by Germany in World War I and thus losing even more territory to Germany."
 

sparky

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not a chance , French are deeply attached to the Republican ideal , the third republic was totally committed to free ,compulsory , non religious education and the school teachers were trained in their own school to act as the propagandist of the republic ,

millions of schoolkids had the merit of "Liberte Egalite Fraternite" shoved down their throat for generation.
the question was which royals ? there were three contending lines
monarchists had no traction in the media and were little more than an archaism among the old noble families.widely associated with the most reactionary and ultra clerical elements
the third Republic had passed "the law of exil" forbidding any claimant to the throne from residing in French territory , as a result not only were they discredited but also they were unknown
 

Futurist

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not a chance , French are deeply attached to the Republican ideal , the third republic was totally committed to free ,compulsory , non religious education and the school teachers were trained in their own school to act as the propagandist of the republic ,

millions of schoolkids had the merit of "Liberte Egalite Fraternite" shoved down their throat for generation.
the question was which royals ? there were three contending lines
monarchists had no traction in the media and were little more than an archaism among the old noble families.widely associated with the most reactionary and ultra clerical elements
the third Republic had passed "the law of exil" forbidding any claimant to the throne from residing in French territory , as a result not only were they discredited but also they were unknown
That's a good point about French people being indoctrinated in regards to republicanism for almost half a century. I mean, when the French monarchists won the elections in France after the Franco-Prussian War, it was after over 20 years of being ruled by Napoleon III. A transition from one monarch to another is easier than a transition from a republic to a monarchy.

Also, I was thinking of having the Orleanists be restored since the Spanish Bourbons haven't lived in France for over two centuries and since the Bonapartes don't have anywhere near as long of a royal history as the Orleanists have.

In addition to this, your point about the French royal families being forced to live in exile starting from 1886 is certainly an excellent one. After all, if French royals are not allowed to live in France, then they can't directly make the case to the French people in regards to a restoration of the French monarchy. Rather, they can only rely on their surrogates to do this.

That said, though, I do see one chance--however small--of an eventual French monarchical restoration after the end of World War I. Specifically, if France becomes a dictatorship sometime after its World War I loss, then its dictator could restore the French monarchy (with a figurehead French monarch) in order to give his regime greater legitimacy in the eyes of French conservatives and royalists.
 

Larrey

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Ah, oh, MAYBE if the army would somehow take over the country and put down the Republic. Then a monarchy MIGHT make sense.

But I'd put the odds of that quite a way below a proper Bolshevik revolution in a France defeated in WWI.
 

Futurist

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Ah, oh, MAYBE if the army would somehow take over the country and put down the Republic. Then a monarchy MIGHT make sense.

But I'd put the odds of that quite a way below a proper Bolshevik revolution in a France defeated in WWI.
To be honest, a France that loses WWI and then gets severely hit by the Great Depression might indeed be receptive to an aspiring strongman who promises better days for France.
 

pugsville

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To be honest, a France that loses WWI and then gets severely hit by the Great Depression might indeed be receptive to an aspiring strongman who promises better days for France.
I think the Idea would garner some support, but so would those on the left, socialists and commuists and perhaps more so. I think generally teh Left in france was stronger than teh right. One of the aspects of the right in the Frencfh interwar period is it's pretty devided, a whole bunch of sectorial right wingers all having their particualr barrow to push, and while often united against things, much less so in what they were actually for.

I don;t think the monarchy was a particularity good rallying piot for the right. It dod not have much prestige and the contenders had little real individual pull to form teh head of any coalition of interests. Why should some miliatry stroingman chose soem form of teh french monarchy to wrap around his power grap what does it bring to his regime that it would not otherwise have?
 

sparky

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under the moulding body of Jean Jaures , the French socialists were a powerful force , way above the few monarchists
French people were and are deeply attached to the republic ,
the whole idea is equivalent to ask what are the chances of americans returning as subject of a British monarchy
 

Futurist

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I think the Idea would garner some support, but so would those on the left, socialists and commuists and perhaps more so. I think generally teh Left in france was stronger than teh right. One of the aspects of the right in the Frencfh interwar period is it's pretty devided, a whole bunch of sectorial right wingers all having their particualr barrow to push, and while often united against things, much less so in what they were actually for.

I don;t think the monarchy was a particularity good rallying piot for the right. It dod not have much prestige and the contenders had little real individual pull to form teh head of any coalition of interests. Why should some miliatry stroingman chose soem form of teh french monarchy to wrap around his power grap what does it bring to his regime that it would not otherwise have?
Good points, pugsville! :)

Plus, weren't the Orleanists supporters of democracy? If so, the Orleanist claimant might be unwilling to be the figurehead for a French dictatorship even if he is actually offered this opportunity (which, as you said, is probably unlikely).
 

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