Academic Forums on slavery. Since the subject is emotive are there forums where one can discuss it with experts?

Jun 2015
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London UK
Are there universities that specialise in the history of it?

Reason I am asking if you are doing a project on black athletes and wanted to see if there is anything academic to prove or debunk the common idea that blacks do well in sports because of ‘selective breeding’ in slavery. Are there forums for that or to ask on here? I don’t want to go fineness the route of slagging matches and trolling when this comes up on some forums
 
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I’d say a lot of university history departments would have specialism in slavery (by which I take it you mean black-American slavery).

the common idea that blacks do well in sports because of ‘selective breeding’ in slavery.
Is that really a common idea? Sounds utterly ridiculous to me.
 
Nov 2019
138
Memphis TN
I am not an expert, just an armchair history buff, but...


I would be shocked if selective breeding is super responsible, since it wasn’t uniform at all..

Sure this or that plantation owner might have done it, but to effect the whole population, I think it would take the majority doing it to matter in such a short timeframe..300+ Year’s is nothing evolution wise..

Plus you have the fact Africans do really well in the olympics anyway.. no selective breeding required..

Then add to that , Tribal people’s are inherently tougher than those in more civilized cultures..

Off topic but was just listening to Hans Delbrück claim that ALL military advancement is 100% civilized cultures making up for the toughness advantage uncivilized cultures have.




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Nov 2019
138
Memphis TN
I’d say a lot of university history departments would have specialism in slavery (by which I take it you mean black-American slavery).



Is that really a common idea? Sounds utterly ridiculous to me.


I’m sure it happened on the individual level, but I doubt it would happen enough to effect the whole population..


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Nov 2019
138
Memphis TN
This is only an ideology glorifying war, which, moreover, does not agree with the historical facts.

Well just off the jump, ancient history is the history of wars, lol...

The reason you have a country, no matter what country you live in, is because someone fought a war to win it.

But it is common sense up to a point.. some construction worker who slings a sledge hammed All day will stomp the snot out of your average office job person... not every person every time, but close enough.

Some mongol used to raping and killing is gonna be way better at it than your average Roman citizen.



I’m not saying they are correct societally..

The whole “wooden shoes go up stairs, Silk shoes go down” crowd, but 3000 years of historians did..

They thought civilization weakened a society... well or too much civilization weakened a society.. made them soft.. unable to fend off the next wave of barbarians at the gate.

Will check your link in a few and try to respond. :)


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Nov 2016
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Well just off the jump, ancient history is the history of wars, lol...
This is a very one-sided view which ignores that warfare appears in the history of mankind only from about 5000 BCE. Moreover, there were for a long time there high standing cultures in Europe without any warfare. But from the 4th mill. BCE they were destroyed or subjugated by warlike tribes from southern Russia.




It would be rather arrogant and a symptom of glorification of war to exclude those phases of human history that were without wars from historical consideration simply because there are no written testimonies.

However, this topic is off here. I suggest we continue it on occasion in a separate thread.
 
Nov 2019
138
Memphis TN
This is a very one-sided view which ignores that warfare appears in the history of mankind only from about 5000 BCE. Moreover, there were for a long time there high standing cultures in Europe without any warfare. But from the 4th mill. BCE they were destroyed or subjugated by warlike tribes from southern Russia.




It would be rather arrogant and a symptom of glorification of war to exclude those phases of human history that were without wars from historical consideration simply because there are no written testimonies.

However, this topic is off here. I suggest we continue it on occasion in a separate thread.
The fact ancient historians based all their histories around wars is not debatable.. and since that is all we have , that is all we have..


Is it the whole story??

Absolutely not.


Concerning the wooden shoes, silk shoes philosophies and their glorification of war... I’m not sure they were not correct before gunpowder made hand to hand combat obsolete.

For example, no ancient army could best the horse tribes of the steppes. Even though their technology never changed, every few hundred years some charismatic leader would unite the tribes and run rough shod over anything else the pre-gunpowder world had to throw at them..

Once guns were decent enough they become totally irrelevant.. but for all of history before that point those horse archers were raised Spartan like, and no one could best them... then technology made toughness no longer a primary attribute


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Oct 2011
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Are there universities that specialise in the history of it?

Reason I am asking if you are doing a project on black athletes and wanted to see if there is anything academic to prove or debunk the common idea that blacks do well in sports because of ‘selective breeding’ in slavery. Are there forums for that or to ask on here? I don’t want to go fineness the route of slagging matches and trolling when this comes up on some forums
Which sports? Tennis? Swimming? Skying? Handball? Hockey? [Or curling?!?]

When I hear to similar theories I tend to remind that an Italian white common guy from Southern Italy [Pietro Mennea] was able to own the record on 200mt for years and years and he recorded it in 1979.

Sport is an expression of social habits.

It's not a long time that African American swimmers win in occasion of Olympic games. Why? And why Olympic teams of swimmers usually show a low presence of African Americans?
Because to swim you need a swimming pool. Or you have to train in a lake among the ducks ... or in a river among the crocodiles ... it's better to run!

Humor apart, my opinion is that sport is a social matter. Obviously it's a questionable opinion.
 
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Feb 2015
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Plus you have the fact Africans do really well in the olympics anyway.. no selective breeding required..
How do you quantify "really well?"

In the 2016 Olympics, all African countries won 10 Gold Medals. South Korea won 9.
In the 2014 Olympics, all African countries won 0 Gold Medals. South Korea won 3.
That's South Korea 12 vs all of Africa 10.