Africa: What Went Wrong?

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Jun 2015
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Let's take Zimbabwe as an example. Under European rule, Zimbabwe was an industrial giant which spawned a strong manufacturing sector, iron and steel industries, and modern mining ventures. After removing the "oppresive" Whites, now it pleads for $1.5bn in food aid to prevent mass starvation.





Now, watch the video below (from 1:13:03 to 1:14:25) and form an opinion. The video is about Congo.

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What went wrong? Are the Europeans to blame for Africa failure?
 
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BenSt

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This whole thread is filled with loaded assumptions, deceitful logic, and generalizations... and that's saying something considering mine is the second post. How can you talk about an entire continent using only one example, Zimbabwe?
 
Jun 2015
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Marseille, Bouches-du-Rhône | France
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This whole thread is filled with loaded assumptions, deceitful logic, and generalizations... and that's saying something considering mine is the second post. How can you talk about an entire continent using only one example, Zimbabwe?
I could give you 53 examples (the number of countries that make up Africa, if I'm not mistaken). By the way, the video is about Congo.
 

jackydee

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I haven't watched the video. I can't help think that Africa's tragedy was not decolonisation, but decolonisation during a specific period in history - the mid 20th century. At that time socialist economics were still in vogue. Socialist economics are suspect enough, but they are doubly suspect in economies which have yet to reach even the "late stage of capitalism". Note that India also suffered from the same mid century fascination with socialism. Economic self destruction is not a specificly African disease.
 

kandal

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Aug 2015
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Too much Afro-pride is behind the failures across Africa. Even South Africa is slowly sliding backwards.

Africans were too naïve to believe that they could progress just as well without the whites. They thought they could just easily jump from a primitive tribal culture into a modern one without white help. African leaders also don't understand how corrupt they are, and the harm they are doing to their nations.
 
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Tulun

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first of all i also think picking one or two of the worst African countries is not a fair base for generalization of a whole continent, each country has its own history.
i watched the video (full), while i understand the Chinese dude being fed up with how the things are done there in Congo (if i were a contractor i would also be pissed off by the unreliable and unprofessional local business partners and workers), but his complain about they kept rotting the Belgian made infrastructure is a little unfair. i think there is a quite obvious reason for it. How many local engineers were left there to maintain it? to have local professionals you need accesibble sufficient number of local universities. for that you need enough local high schools, for that enough elementary schools to cover the whole population... it is okay Belgians made trains and roads, but did they establish the needed institutions too behind them? This is of course not a sufficient excuse for the progress or non-progess since the last 60 years, that is all on the local leaders what did they do to catch up, but he shouldn't forget that the colonial "achievments" were not built on solid local foundations.
 

mansamusa

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Let's take Zimbabwe as an example. Under European rule, Zimbabwe was an industrial giant which spawned a strong manufacturing sector, iron and steel industries, and modern mining ventures. After removing the "oppresive" Whites, now it pleads for $1.5bn in food aid to prevent mass starvation.





Now, watch the video below (from 1:13:03 to 1:14:25) and form an opinion. The video is about Congo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M
(Video related)​

What went wrong? Are the Europeans to blame for Africa failure?
I thought El Nino and not Mugabe was responsible for the drought. Am I mistaken?
 

Offspring

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