America played the key role in German defeat in World War I

Nov 2015
1,474
Kyiv
#62
- maybe the US role in German defeat was a key one. After Russia concluded a separate peace with the Germans and the Austrians and abandoned its allies to the mercy of fate, Germany was able to transfer to the West most of its divisions from the east and created a very difficult situation for the Entente. I believe that the United States closed this gap by entering the war and ensuring the Entente victory
 
Sep 2016
457
Georgia
#63
So Americans now want to get main credit for WW1 ? But at the same time they get mad whenever someone says that USSR had biggest contribution in defeating Nazi Germany and that war was won thanks to Russia ? Wow, that's just ridiculous. Well, I guess that what happens, when your country doesn't really have proper military history and is so young.
 

Larrey

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Sep 2011
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#64
- maybe the US role in German defeat was a key one. After Russia concluded a separate peace with the Germans and the Austrians and abandoned its allies to the mercy of fate, Germany was able to transfer to the West most of its divisions from the east and created a very difficult situation for the Entente. I believe that the United States closed this gap by entering the war and ensuring the Entente victory
That was the German 1918 Spring Offensive. It was launched so as to be timed to play out BEFORE the US could actually enter into the fighting in force. It was why it was timed like it was. Which also means it was defeated BEFORE the US could enter into the war in really significant numbers.
 
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Maki

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Jan 2017
2,061
Republika Srpska
#65
That was the German 1918 Spring Offensive. It was launched so as to be timed to play out BEFORE the US could actually enter into the fighting in force. It was why it was timed like it was. Which also means it was defeated BEFORE the US could enter into the war in really significant numbers.
Though, to be honest, we should remember that the Americans did help in stopping the German offensives in 1918, especially during the Second Marne when the US 3rd Infanty Division managed to hold against the Germans, earning the nickname "Rock of the Marne".
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
7,790
#66
Though, to be honest, we should remember that the Americans did help in stopping the German offensives in 1918, especially during the Second Marne when the US 3rd Infanty Division managed to hold against the Germans, earning the nickname "Rock of the Marne".
They did help but lets put the US forces stopping the German offensives in perspective 85,000 US troops 2.5 million french, 1.9 million british. Thats what less than 2% of the available manpower. teh Brlgains had twice those numbers in the front line with 190,000. Teh British committed an additional 400,000 troops into teh western front during the German offensives., thats almost 5 times what the Americans committed. Teh Allies would have had otehr troops there if teh Americans were not. Chances are they would have performed better.

The AEF were very Green had poor doctine, totally unbalanced rifle heavy formations. By 1918 40% of frnech soldiers were in the artillery. Briitish and French troops had a lot more bang than the rifle obsessed Americans. And all teh US artillery, aircrfat and tanks were supplied by teh French and the British. the French did all the staff work.
 
#67
On WW2, the B24 Liberator was the most numerous bomber in history. Anybody that says WW2 wasn't won on US production lines either hasn't read enough or is being as disingenuous as the Eurocentric WW1 conspiracy.
So Americans now want to get main credit for WW1 ? But at the same time they get mad whenever someone says that USSR had biggest contribution in defeating Nazi Germany and that war was won thanks to Russia ? Wow, that's just ridiculous. Well, I guess that what happens, when your country doesn't really have proper military history and is so young.
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Nov 2014
1,426
Birmingham, UK
#68
'disingenuous'?

you mean like suggesting an Army (the AEF) which only captured 1/7th of the German prisoners captured July - November 1918 was 'almost exclusively' responsible for German mass surrenders?

or maybe 'disingenuous' isn't quite the word I am looking for.
 
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Larrey

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Sep 2011
4,572
#69
Though, to be honest, we should remember that the Americans did help in stopping the German offensives in 1918, especially during the Second Marne when the US 3rd Infanty Division managed to hold against the Germans, earning the nickname "Rock of the Marne".
Yes, and in particular the French commanders were full of praise for the US troops that had taken part in that. The situation was that the Americans had to begin to prove themselves to their allies, that they actually could and would fight. They certainly did that. (They were also horribly green, and were initially killed in large numbers for it.) The fact that they were lauded for their efforts somehow can get misinterpreted by certainAmericans as somehow implicitly signifying that the French somehow couldn't fight. (Which is bizarre, and not just to the French but also to the Germans who had to be on the receiving end of both.)

However, the short version of the events of the German Spring Offensive of 1918 is regardless that it played out before the Americans could shoulder any significant role.
 
Sep 2016
457
Georgia
#70
On WW2, the B24 Liberator was the most numerous bomber in history. Anybody that says WW2 wasn't won on US production lines either hasn't read enough or is being as disingenuous as the Eurocentric WW1 conspiracy.
Oh god. So you now disregard Soviet effort ? I could easily say that USA was never in real fight during WW2, compared to what Soviets endured. Siege of Leningrad, Battle of Moscow, Battle of Stalingrad, Kursk, Dnepr, Bagration operation and yes, Soviet army took Berlin.

American Revolution was won by French ! There you have it ! It was won by French and Americans had to be saved. America is free now only because of other nations.

Also, there is no conspiracy. Your education is at fault. We all know, what strong propaganda they have in American schools and teach them about ,, unquestionable '' superiority of USA over other nations. Than you wonder why people think of americans as arrogant and dislike them ?
 
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