Ancient Pre-Roman Italy

Mar 2015
870
Europe
9th...7th century BC layers of Rome are heavily disturbed by later activity, and hard to access because of present city.
Same period Alba Longa is also difficult to access because of Castel Gandolfo.

But what was Ficana like in 9th...7th century BC? Before Ancus Marcius´ conquest of Ficana and founding of Ostia, Ficana seems like the natural seaport of Latium, to trade with Nuragic Sardinia, and Greeks and Phoenicians when they came in 8th century BC...
 

AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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9th...7th century BC layers of Rome are heavily disturbed by later activity, and hard to access because of present city.
Same period Alba Longa is also difficult to access because of Castel Gandolfo.

But what was Ficana like in 9th...7th century BC? Before Ancus Marcius´ conquest of Ficana and founding of Ostia, Ficana seems like the natural seaport of Latium, to trade with Nuragic Sardinia, and Greeks and Phoenicians when they came in 8th century BC...
First of all, when archaeological researches had conducted there [in the 70's] they found traces of human presence from 40,000 years ago ... not bad ...

Anyway, something decent as settlement appeared in X century BCE and a first system of fortification had realized in VIII century BCE.

The fortifications weren't really wide and this suggests that a good part of the city was out of the walls [this would indicate a peaceful period or a curious security police by the leading class ...].

Regarding how Ficana looked ... it was a typical city of that age with the curiosity that they gathered a lot from the wood [overall figs ... and it seems that the name "Ficana" comes from the name of the fruit ... in Italic language it's "Fico"].

There were also artisan activities connected with metal works and tissues.
 
Mar 2015
870
Europe
Later Romans remembered the ancient borders of Roman countryside. Quite close to Rome.
On the left bank of Tiber, Fidenae was an Etruscan city, just 8 km from Rome.
How about right bank, trans Tiberim?
The city of Veii was more distant. But the countryside?
The summit of Janiculum belonged to Rome. But where did the borders between the right bank countryside of Rome and the countryside of Veii go?
 

AlpinLuke

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Nice question. I'm thinking to the areas that the two cities contended since VIII century BCE: septem pagi and campus salinarum.

The campus salinarum was on the right bank of the Tiber, next to its mouth [where today there is the airport of Fiumicino].

Septem pagi was the term indicating the territory west of the isle in the river Tiber which Romolo conquered just from Veio [Veio is the Italian for Veii]. There was a treaty, a peace, but the territory kept to be contended.
 
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So, The Tiber River (east of it and west of it) seems like it was historically an important divider...

These could be easier to address might be able to just find it myself, wondering how the city of Rome works exactly (what side of the River it's on, or both) plus the HolySee and where it extends...
 
Mar 2015
870
Europe
These could be easier to address might be able to just find it myself, wondering how the city of Rome works exactly (what side of the River it's on, or both) plus the HolySee and where it extends...
On left bank.
As for trans Tiberim:
There was a ferry before Ancus Marcius. Possibly Rome owned some land on opposite shore.
Ancus Marcius built pons Sublicius, and some sort of fort on summit of Janiculum.

But Servian Wall did not extend to right bank, and there was fairly limited suburb.
Aurelian Wall included the bridgehead against Rome and extended to the summit of Janiculum.

Cemetery of Vatican was outside walls of Rome. So was the grave of Hadrian.

The cathedral of Rome and the palace of popes are in Lateran - on left bank and inside the walls of Aurelian.
Leonine City, enclosing Vatican and grave of Hadrian, was built in 9th century AD.
 
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On left bank.
As for trans Tiberim:
There was a ferry before Ancus Marcius. Possibly Rome owned some land on opposite shore.
Ancus Marcius built pons Sublicius, and some sort of fort on summit of Janiculum.

But Servian Wall did not extend to right bank, and there was fairly limited suburb.
Aurelian Wall included the bridgehead against Rome and extended to the summit of Janiculum.

Cemetery of Vatican was outside walls of Rome. So was the grave of Hadrian.

The cathedral of Rome and the palace of popes are in Lateran - on left bank and inside the walls of Aurelian.
Leonine City, enclosing Vatican and grave of Hadrian, was built in 9th century AD.
I see, thanks!

How reliable is wikipedia on this subject.. I found this map the other day...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscan_language#/media/File:Iron_Age_Italy.png
 

AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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This makes me curious about the oldest written sources related to Rome. Meaning being from Rome (or even the old "Latium"), mentioning it, or in some other way relating to it.