Antifascist resistance in France and Serbia durning World War II

Maki

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How many people were executed in Montenegro? I don't know much about matters there, I know there were both chetniks and partisans.
Well, there are no exact numbers. Veselin B. Pavličević estimates that around 600 people were killed by the Partisans, but who knows, the numbers could be much bigger. The worst thing is that, immediately after the Partisans finished their purges, the Chetniks started their own, no less brutal.

This is how Infantry Major Milorad T. Joksimović remembers Partisan crimes in Montenegro:
"They first started with the municipality presidents because of their supposed collaboration with the occupiers. In Haremi (part of Berane on the right side of Lim River) they killed municipality president Tomica Cukić. They killed him at the entrance to the municipality building; then they killed Batrić Božović, municipality president in Šekulari. They therew president and renowned householder Janja Korać from the Glavci village into a pit at Griža near Jelovica mountain while he was still alive after monstrous torture. In Polimlje they killed Vaso Laban, municipality president, householder Luka Miković from Buće village was killed while he was grinding grain at the water mill. They threw a 15 year old son of judge Radovan Grucić-Delević into a pit at Griža near Jelovica Mountain after torturing him. Into the same pit they threw tortured gendarmerie sergeant Panto Joković after they tore his flesh with pincers in order to inflict the worst of pains. (...) All those killed were first labeled as national traitors, fifth columnists, collaborators but no one believed them, because they were all national and honorable people, but they bothered the Communists so they had to be removed."
 
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macon

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Aug 2015
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Well, there are no exact numbers. Veselin B. Pavličević estimates that around 600 people were killed by the Partisans, but who knows, the numbers could be much bigger. The worst thing is that, immediately after the Partisans finished their purges, the Chetniks started their own, no less brutal.

This is how Infantry Major Milorad T. Joksimović remembers Partisan crimes in Montenegro:
"They first started with the municipality presidents because of their supposed collaboration with the occupiers. In Haremi (part of Berane on the right side of Lim River) they killed municipality president Tomica Cukić. They killed him at the entrance to the municipality building; then they killed Batrić Božović, municipality president in Šekulari. They therew president and renowned householder Janja Korać from the Glavci village into a pit at Griža near Jelovica mountain while he was still alive after monstrous torture. In Polimlje they killed Vaso Laban, municipality president, householder Luka Miković from Buće village was killed while he was grinding grain at the water mill. They threw a 15 year old son of judge Radovan Grucić-Delević into a pit at Griža near Jelovica Mountain after torturing him. Into the same pit they threw tortured gendarmerie sergeant Panto Joković after they tore his flesh with pincers in order to inflict the worst of pains. (...) All those killed were first labeled as national traitors, fifth columnists, collaborators but no one believed them, because they were all national and honorable people, but they bothered the Communists so they had to be removed."
Same kind of people were killed in Slovenia. It was interesting to me that communists dennounced nationalists to Italians so nationalists were deported or executed.

There was a case of prewar chief of Ljubljana police who destroyed lists of prewar communists so they had not fallen into occupator's hands. He was assassinated by communists few months later. Or was it ban Natlačen- leader of Slovenian province in kingdom of Yugoslavia, I'm not sure.

Communists did not separate technical and armed collaboration, some got killed for being train conductors or postmen because they were doing their job and also serving occupator's soldiers. They all were proclaimed as traitors. Imagine all French Paris police getting executed after WWII. All Ljubljana's policemen were executed by communists after WWII although they were dealing with civil crime or with traffic as always- they were having a job. Imagine British executing civil servants on Jersey and Guernsey after WWII because they were traitors and collaborators.
 
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Nov 2013
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Why didn't they try to liberate it?
Partisans were a guerrilla force. Let's imagine they liberated the death camp. They would then have thousands of weak, sickly, malnourished people (including women, children and elderly). Not exactly a kind of people who can endure constant moving around mountains of Western Balkans. Not to mention they would require special medical care, more food, etc. which partisans themselves often lacked.
 
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Shtajerc

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Jul 2014
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Lower Styria, Slovenia
There was a case of prewar chief of Ljubljana police who destroyed lists of prewar communists so they had not fallen into occupator's hands. He was assassinated by communists few months later. Or was it ban Natlačen- leader of Slovenian province in kingdom of Yugoslavia, I'm not sure.
Natlačen was assassinated by the communists for sure.

Did they really execute all of Ljubljana's policemen? Didn't know about this, very gruesome act. It was a very unsure time directly after the war. A jealous neighbour could lie about you to the new people in charge and you'd be lucky to stay alive in such cases, especially if you owned a bit more land than other people around you.


As for liberating prisons and camps, the partisans liberated the Stari pisker prison in Celje during the war once, dressed in German uniforms. The inmates believed it's a trap and refused to leave their cells. Only after some encouragement they finally escaped. Most were caught later by the Germans though ...
 
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Futurist

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Less than 10% of German prisoners were returned to Germany in 1955, 10 years after end of war. Most of others were executed, few hundred meters from where I live was a concentration camp and few execution grounds.

Only in Slovenia there are over 700 killing grounds where they killed 200-300.000 people in two months after end of WWII. After German attack of Soviet Union communists organised a resistance with an overall idea that war will be soon over and Soviets victorious because they were having more heavy weaponry than whole world combined. So they started preparing a ground for a revolution with killing of their perceived enemies (Slovenian patriots were targeted by both communists and occupators) and they killed 1000-2000 people only in one part of Slovenia under Italian occupation until spring of 1942 before first white guards emerged.

Slovene Lands in World War II - Wikipedia


In south eastern part called Province of Ljubljana (black part in west was directly made a part of Italy, green was a Hungarian occupational zone, dark grey a part of reich, green circle in down right means a concentrated German ethnic minority from middle ages- about 12.000 people in heavily forrested area) communists also executed more than half of local gypsies from little children on (few hundreds in total). They were all labelled as traitors. And it goes on and on.
Why in the world were the Gypsies labeled as traitors by the Communists when Nazis were killing them en masse, though?
 

Futurist

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Eh...by late 1943, the Partisans stopped being simply a resistance movement and were already becoming a state-creating organization with its own government, services, armed forces etc.
So, sort of like the Taliban in Afghanistan right now?
 

macon

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Aug 2015
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Why in the world were the Gypsies labeled as traitors by the Communists when Nazis were killing them en masse, though?
Probably some of them sold some information to Italians because they knew terrain very well and were mostly outside. As a consequence partisans were killing entire families with infants.
 
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Futurist

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Probably some of them sold some information to Italians because they knew terrain very well and were mostly outside. As a consequence partisans were killing entire families with little children.
Did the Gypsies sell information to the Italians because the Italians offered them good money for this?

Also, Yes, that's absolutely atrocious--probably just as bad as the Nazis killing entire Jewish families. :(