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Devdas

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There is the legend of Akkatiyam (Agastya) moving South with some Tamil Velirs from Dwarka. Infact Iravatham Mahadevan was a chief proponent of the theory that the story narrates some real history. Here is a link: Dravidian Proof of the Indus Script via the Rig Veda: A Case Study
Yes, I know that theory. The Tamil Vellalars folklore claims ancestry from the migrants from the city of Dwarka, once a Tamil guy told me about it.

Although, Dravidian origin of Indus script is a dubious claim, because until we don't find a Rosetta stone for Indus script, we can't find its nature. Historians like Witzel claims a Munda origin (Austro-Asiatic language) for Indus valley civilization.
 
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Never mind, Witzel & Co will turn him and his wife into Para-Munda sages:)
Aren't Austro-Asiatic speakers newest migrants in the sub-continent?
Witzel believes few seers' and kings' name in Vedas are of Dravidian origin(without any proof). It's all make-believe world.
 
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Yes, I know that theory. The Tamil Vellalars folklore claims ancestry from the migrants from the city of Dwarka, once a Tamil guy told me about it.

Although, Dravidian origin of Indus script is a dubious claim, because until we don't find a Rosetta stone for Indus script, we can't find its nature. Historians like Witzel claims a Munda origin (Austro-Asiatic language) for Indus valley civilization.
Witzel's "Para-Munda" theory has been already falsified. Witzel himself published a paper by a linguistic colleague, which clarified the "Para-Munda" word structures: View of Pleonastic Compounding: An Ancient Dravidian Word Structure
In the meantime Iravatham Mahadevan had progressed a lot on Dravidian Indus script. He has actually deciphered it without a Rosetta stone. His decipherment has gained also acceptance already, was published in 2017 in the book "Walking with the Unicorn".

So much for "dubiousness" of Dravidian claim.:crying:
 

Devdas

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Witzel's "Para-Munda" theory has been already falsified. Witzel himself published a paper by a linguistic colleague, which clarified the "Para-Munda" word structures: View of Pleonastic Compounding: An Ancient Dravidian Word Structure
In the meantime Iravatham Mahadevan had progressed a lot on Dravidian Indus script. He has actually deciphered it without a Rosetta stone. His decipherment has gained also acceptance already, was published in 2017 in the book "Walking with the Unicorn".

So much for "dubiousness" of Dravidian claim.:crying:
What Rosetta stone, which bilingual stone they found about it. The Dravidian origin of Indus script is more like a Dravidian nationalist agenda, then a real history, archaeology clearly proves the Indus valley people dispersed into Gangetic plains after the Ghaggar-Hakra river dried in an earthquake in 1900BC, post-1900BC majority of IVC population shifted in doab of Ganges-Yamuna river in Western UP. if archaeologists have found IVC type samples in Tamil Nadu, its most likely it spread from the Gangetic plains towards South India. Even Brahui people of Balochistan are recent migrants, just like we have IE speakers in South in Sri Lanka, Maldives and Minocoy Island of Lakshadweep.
 
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What Rosetta stone, which bilingual stone they found about it. The Dravidian origin of Indus script is more like a Dravidian nationalist agenda, then a real history, archaeology clearly proves the Indus valley people dispersed into Gangetic plains after the Ghaggar-Hakra river dried in an earthquake in 1900BC, post-1900BC majority of IVC population shifted in doab of Ganges-Yamuna river in Western UP. if archaeologists have found IVC type samples in Tamil Nadu, its most likely it spread from the Gangetic plains towards South India. Even Brahui people of Balochistan are recent migrants, just like we have IE speakers in South in Sri Lanka, Maldives and Minocoy Island of Lakshadweep.
So you think Iravatham Mahadevan is a Dravidian nationalist? (Tamil Brahmin)
So you think Asko Parpola is a Dravidian nationalist? (Finnish Sanskrit and Tamil scholar)
So you think Painted Grey Ware is evidence for Harappan culture, although they used Black and red ware?
So you think Black and red ware in South India is not material evidence?
So you think bricks and drainage system in Keezhadi is not material evidence?
So you think Indus script in Keezhadi is not material evidence?

And since when is a Rosetta stone required to decipher a script? A Rosetta stone helps, but in our case it was not required.

Maybe an eminent "Vedic scientist" converted all Harappans to use Painted Grey Ware while a "Vedic doctor" transformed the Indian expatriates in Europe to have fair and lovely skin by plastic surgery.. :crying:
 
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Neither Asko Prapola nor Irvatham Mahadevan has deciphered Indus script. IM was respectable epigraphist but his supposed 'decipherment' is based on conjuctures. Many claims have been made about the language of Indus valley but none could be officially confirmed till now so I would refrain from talking about it in this forum.
Keezhadi belongs to same time-period when north India went through second urbanization while proto-cities already existed for centuries(or millenial) in north.
Many Keezhadi inscriptions are in Prakrit/Sanskrit among them 'Kuvira' seems to be most popular name. A couple of years ago first dated(480 BCE) pottery shred which probably belonged to grave of a chief had 'Vayra'(from Prakrit originally Vajra in Sanskrit) written over it. There are also many Tamilaized Prakrit names inscribed on the pottery which simply means IE speakers were already living in south.
Earliest Tamil literary works including Tamil grammar, Tamil poetry and Tamil epics show influence of IE and Sanskritized culture. Sage Agastya was IE speaker who is considered father of Tamil language. 'Agastya' is an IE name and any funny 'Dravidian' etymology is unacceptable.
 
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Aren't Austro-Asiatic speakers newest migrants in the sub-continent?
Witzel believes few seers' and kings' name in Vedas are of Dravidian origin(without any proof). It's all make-believe world.
Witzel has no sense. He argues about Dravidian words with little or no knowledge about Dravidian languages. He is more of a politician than a scholar.
 
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