Are all sexual taboos just a matter of ickyness?

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AlpinLuke

Ad Honoris
Oct 2011
25,861
Italy, Lago Maggiore
#11
Well if sex is for pleasure why is sex with animals or with your daughters still considered icky or even mentally ill, I mean the argument is that as long as what floats your boat right, and who are you to judge if someone finds pleasure having sex with a corpse or being rammed in the ass by a horse? Why would a free society ban sx with animals or with your sons and daughters when you would not outlaw eating meat or using animals as guinea pigs, which is basically torture? Is torture better than rape?
That sex is for pleasure is the present evolution of sexuality in our societies. It's a matter of fact. And it's a great market ... so a great business.

Then ... about what you say ...

1. We are still far from that level of "freedom".
2. I don't think that freedom should be absolute: it wouldn't be functional for our social life. Imagine if we could make a choice about the color of the streetlights ... "I pass with red!" "And I pass with yellow!" ... "I want blue!".

3. Deviant sexual activities are anyway a problem for procreation at istinctive level, so that our societies tend to consider them "wrong". About incest, there is something basic also here: incest tends to generate genetic problems [we need to mix genes, to reduce mistakes in the DNA, as for I have understood]. I guess our instinct advices us about this. Anyway there is also a lot of cultural influence in similar social choices. In Ancient Egypt they didn't accept incest, but within the Royal Family it was considered even positive ... to preserve the purity of the sacred Royal Blood.
 
Nov 2014
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ph
#12
I mean that liberals would have a harder time banning sexual practices on the basis of disgust, since they are the ones that are arguing that free love should be practiced. While conservatives should have no problems with this logically, since they have no problems calling for banning of sexual practices that they deem disgusting like sodomy, and would see bestiality as anothe practice to ban on the basis of ickyness or causing moral degeneracy. Incidentally, it is not only in the Abrahamic religions where male homosexuality is prohibited as well, it is also prohibited by the time of the Ming dynasty, was deemed sinful among the Zoroastrians, and also looked down upon and ostracized by the Germanic tribes, pagan Scandinavians, and ancient Egyptians.
 
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AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
25,861
Italy, Lago Maggiore
#13
This said, let's note that we live in democracies. In democracies laws are relative to the cultural, moral, religious, social inclinations of the electorate.

Conceptualizations like "right" or "wrong" are no more. We live in countries where "suitable", "unsuitable", "functional" and "dysfunctional" [and similar] dominate politics.

Technically abortion is a murder of a living being. We can discuss for hours when an embryo becomes a human being, but all embryos are potentially human beings. Period. Anyway, not a few democracies [Italy included] have legalized abortion because it's more functional when it's legal than when it's illegal.

When abortion is illegal it happens [and more] anyway and women risk to be ruined [so to be no more able to get pregnant]. So that I agree that in a democracy abortion should be legalized [even if I consider it a homicide ... it's the "minor damage"].
 
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Sep 2014
869
Texas
#14
what is that probability of being kicked to death by having sex with a pony, 0.01 percent? Is that higher or lower than the probability, of getting into a fatal accident when you drive your car? Yet they do not ban car driving do they? And is there any proof that Roman or Greek style pederasty did any significant long lasting harm to Roman society? They seemed to do well enough if you want to go down that rabbit hole, maybe it is harmful only becUse moderm society tells people that it is harmful?
People normally don't have sex with cars...in cars but not with cars. And while I will not post it here, there were cases in the last five years of gay men being killed by ponies trained to have sex with men. There is even a British police photo of a gray horse trying to mount a policeman. And I've read enough gay porn to know some men really get off on the thought of having sex with a stallion.

And to my eternal shame, a Texas man broke his leg trying to have sex with a horse. It was his third arrest. A woman named Marylee Brown was crushed to death by a stallion she was trying to have sex with. The men watching cheered her on....the outcome was not good. A man named Kenneth Pinyan actually distributed porn of himself having sex with a stallion. This is one of the men who was killed having sex with a stallion. All it takes is one wrong time. Seattle passed a law making sex with animals illegal after this.

As for Roman and Greek pederasty when a gay man hangs himself because a straight boy won't have sex with him...that's pretty sad. And pederasty was not that common. The Spartans were the most homophobic Greeks (yeah I know naked Greek boys)...the girls even beat up gay men. One of the darlings of gay French artists was Alcibiades. They imagine Socrates and him just getting it on all over the place. This was Plato's fantasy. Xenophon argued it never happened. And if being gay is a choice, Alcibiades should have been gay. He would have lived longer, however he chose women over boys and got killed.

Not every boy wants to have sex with a man and In today's society that is called rape. And like I said, if the Greeks and Romans were happy with way they did things, Christianity would have died out and men would still be having sex with children. Sexuality is not a choice. I know gay men like to think they can turn straight men gay, or straight men can turn gay men straight, but you can't. We are born the way we are. What adults do is no one's business, but children need to be protected from the sexual urges of adults, and calling it a fancy name doesn't change it from being rape.
 

Rodger

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Jun 2014
5,837
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#15
Of course not all sexual taboos are just about yuckiness. Take incest or sex with children in general. There are a myriad of reasons why this is wrong. Sometimes i don't think we give our ancestors enough credit. There are likely good, sound reasons for many of the sexiual taboos that devloped and held over thousands of years.
 
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Nov 2014
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ph
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I was a
That sex is for pleasure is the present evolution of sexuality in our societies. It's a matter of fact. And it's a great market ... so a great business.

Then ... about what you say ...

1. We are still far from that level of "freedom".
2. I don't think that freedom should be absolute: it wouldn't be functional for our social life. Imagine if we could make a choice about the color of the streetlights ... "I pass with red!" "And I pass with yellow!" ... "I want blue!".

3. Deviant sexual activities are anyway a problem for procreation at istinctive level, so that our societies tend to consider them "wrong". About incest, there is something basic also here: incest tends to generate genetic problems [we need to mix genes, to reduce mistakes in the DNA, as for I have understood]. I guess our instinct advices us about this. Anyway there is also a lot of cultural influence in similar social choices. In Ancient Egypt they didn't accept incest, but within the Royal Family it was considered even positive ... to preserve the purity of the sacred Royal Blood.
I was actually trying to argue this from a conservative viewpoint, that every society had bans on what they see as deviant behavior, and that there is no society that practiced sexuality on the basis of free love.
 
Sep 2014
869
Texas
#17
I mean that liberals would have a harder time banning sexual practices on the basis of disgust, since they are the ones that are arguing that free love should be practiced. While conservatives should have no problems with this logically, since they have no problems calling for banning of sexual practices that they deem disgusting like sodomy, and would see bestiality as anothe practice to ban on the basis of ickyness or causing moral degeneracy. Incidentally, it is not only in the Abrahamic religions where male homosexuality is prohibited as well, it is also prohibited by the time of the Ming dynasty, was deemed sinful among the Zoroastrians, and also looked down upon and ostracized by the Germanic tribes, pagan Scandinavians, and ancient Egyptians.
I'm a conservative leaning libertarian and I don't care who you shag so long as the person has reached the age of consent. In America that means either 17 or 18 when it comes to sex with adults. I seriously don't care if a man has sex with another man or even his brother or a horse. Same with women. The only ones I'll fight you over is children. Wouldn't be wise to debate me on that one.
 
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Oct 2013
6,192
Planet Nine, Oregon
#18
Well, I suspect that there has been a long distinction in many cultures between special human animals and the rest of the animals, allowing us to do the unspeakable things we do to them; enslave, conscript, abuse, eat them, etc. So, having sex with them would probably make you an outcast in many cultures, or worse. As far as "ickiness" goes, the incest taboo depends on the culture, as we know. Also, best to remember that traditional sex can be "icky" too, and men and women can do many of the same things they find "icky" in non-traditional sexual relationships. So plenty of Ick to go around..
 

Rodger

Ad Honorem
Jun 2014
5,837
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#19
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I was actually trying to argue this from a conservative viewpoint, that every society had bans on what they see as deviant behavior, and that there is no society that practiced sexuality on the basis of free love.
Free love was common in the hippie communes. Now, today, there is plenty of free love, if you view it as simply having sex with no attachments or commitments. Come work with the kids that I work with, the ones with no known, recognized or present father - or even mothers often, and ask them what they think about being created by two people who had little to no interest in the results. And people wonder why today's youth are despondent, depressed, severe risk takers and even have a death wish of sorts, exhibited by today's overdose and suicide rate among youth and young adults under 40.
 
Feb 2011
13,539
Perambulating in St James' Park
#20
Well if sex is for pleasure why is sex with animals or with your daughters still considered icky or even mentally ill, I mean the argument is that as long as what floats your boat right, and who are you to judge if someone finds pleasure having sex with a corpse or being rammed in the ass by a horse? Why would a free society ban sx with animals or with your sons and daughters when you would not outlaw eating meat or using animals as guinea pigs, which is basically torture? Is torture better than rape?
Is this a hypothetical or personal question?
 
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