Are Europeans less innovative than Americans since WW2?

Nov 2017
866
Győr
You CAN make these arguments. But they seem WAAAYYY to simplistic to be taken very seriously,.

With Europe bombed to the craphouse they were not exactly starting the post war world on some sort of even playing field. Britian had some very good early computer work. But they chose to destory it all and deny it ever existsed.

Are innovators hardworking? Maybe only lazy people are really creative, hard workers just do the job they are questioning tje job.
Are innovators individualists? Maybe innovation works better in collaborative sharing environment,

The US post war boom was massive buyt the key ingredient was Brot9ioan was bankrupt almost by teh war and teh rest of Eruope teh aforementioned bombing. With teh US booming and had oddles of cash, innovative risky projects were much more likely to get funded in the USA.
For the real (natural) sciences collectivism is a huge advantage (think about the strict collaborative work in laboratories), but in humanities (like arts literature etc..) individuslism is the advantage. Maybe It sounds a bit simplistic and generalizing, but it is true in the 80-90% of the cases.
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
9,675
For the real (natural) sciences collectivism is a huge advantage (think about the strict collaborative work in laboratories), but in humanities (like arts literature etc..) individuslism is the advantage. Maybe It sounds a bit simplistic and generalizing, but it is true in the 80-90% of the cases.
It is overly simplistic and generalizing,

Have you got soemn actual reserach data to back it' true 80-90% of casees are are just pulling the numbers on gut feel.?

I think it's waay rto complex to come down to soem trite generalized assumption.
 
Nov 2017
866
Győr
It is overly simplistic and generalizing,

Have you got soemn actual reserach data to back it' true 80-90% of casees are are just pulling the numbers on gut feel.?

I think it's waay rto complex to come down to soem trite generalized assumption.

Before the WW2, and American cultural hegemony of mass culture in Europe, only Britsh and Hungarian common people were individualistic, In France Germany or Italy, Spain Benelux and Skandinavian countries etc... the average people were rather collectivistic (not communist!) before the WW2. (with perdictible boring very robotic way of behavior) Only the intellectuals were individualistic in continental Europe. Collectivism can be very dangerous in a society, collectivist way of thinking can be resulted in social tragedies. See various bloody events of French revolution in the name of collectivist "brotherhood" remember the genocides and the Holocaust of the "master race" See Russian revolutions and their aftermatch etc... Collectivist masses (aka 'Robots') can behave like a madman in the era of serious political / economic crisis. While individualists are less dangerous even in such difficult circumstances.
 
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Larrey

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Sep 2011
5,832
OK, so the message is that the UK and Hungary are somehow "natural allies", and all of the rest of Europe useless rotters.

Looks more like a Hungarian current-politics-pamphlet than ANYTHING to do with, like, actual history...
 
Nov 2017
866
Győr
OK, so the message is that the UK and Hungary are somehow "natural allies", and all of the rest of Europe useless rotters.

Looks more like a Hungarian current-politics-pamphlet than ANYTHING to do with, like, actual history...
It is not about alliances. Indivisdualism is a post ww2 american cultural impact on the masses of continental Europe. On continental Europe only the intellectuals were really individualistic.
Read about social scientists and psychologic researches about the topic.
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
9,675
Before the WW2, and American cultural hegemony of mass culture in Europe, only Britsh and Hungarian common people were individualistic, In France Germany or Italy, Spain Benelux and Skandinavian countries etc... the average people were rather collectivistic (not communist!) before the WW2. (with perdictible boring very robotic way of behavior) Only the intellectuals were individualistic in continental Europe. Collectivism can be very dangerous in a society, collectivist way of thinking can be resulted in social tragedies. See various bloody events of French revolution in the name of collectivist "brotherhood" remember the genocides and the Holocaust of the "master race" See Russian revolutions and their aftermatch etc... Collectivist masses (aka 'Robots') can behave like a madman in the era of serious political / economic crisis. While individualists are less dangerous even in such difficult circumstances.
There are ONLY two types of people.

Those that break people into two different types, and those that do not,
 
May 2016
321
Greater Manchester
The British invented the computer, the World Wide Web, the jet engine, the television and the telephone.

In fact, most of the world's major inventions of the last 200 years are British.
 
Nov 2017
866
Győr
The British invented the computer, the World Wide Web, the jet engine, the television and the telephone.

In fact, most of the world's major inventions of the last 200 years are British.
Maybe the WWW is British, but all the other mentioned stuffs are nothing more than just jingoist bluff. You can check them in very well referenced Wiki pages.
 

Linschoten

Ad Honoris
Aug 2010
16,214
Welsh Marches
The British did in fact play a leading role in the invention of the jet engine and televison, and in the early development of computing machines; and with regard to the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell was Scottish-born started his inventive career in the UK before crossing the Atlantic. One would in any case have to be a crazy Anglophobe to claim that the country where the industrial and agricultural revolutions started has been short of inventiveness, or deny that the land of Newton and Darwin has always played a leading role in scientific research. In the present age, it is second only to the USA for the number of Nobel laureates.