are poorly educated people more prone to indoctrination?

Cepheus

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Dec 2011
2,222
What you are both missing is indoctrination is not just about receiving information! It is a matter of what your brain does with the information once it is received. It is not natural to think critically. Critical thinking is a learned skill. People can get degrees in computer technology and never have a class in critical thinking.

Being extremely smart has almost nothing to do with critical thinking, nor wisdom. In fact, being a critical thinker will reduce one's ability to score high on the technological test, because critical thinking involves more thinking than memorizing facts and responding correctly on test with right or wrong answers. Today our young are smart but lack the wisdom to use the technology available to us. There is a difference between using a cell phone and being addicted to it and having no life except the life of social media and games. This addiction is very much about preparing our young for technology but not for life and all the responsibilities that come with being an adult.
I do take that into account and agree with you quite readily. As I mentioned, with "uneducated" as a contributory factor, there are multiple other factors to consider such as experience and intelligence.

The problem with the premise of the OP, is that, historically, there have been large swaths of people that would be considered fairly well educated that have ostensibly been heavily indoctrinated into systemic political and religious schemes. Again, I am not equating indoctrination with a good or bad value.

IOW, I cannot conceive of a premise that is not contradicted by evidence with the idea of educated people being less prone to indoctrination than "uneducated" people.

To be clear though, when I say uneducated people I am talking about people who have not had a higher formal education. I do not equate uneducated with stupid.
 
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Nov 2018
277
Denmark
I suspect Denmark and Italian culture are so different so that our dialogue can be very constructive but at the same time....difficult because of our different perspectives. Minimum in Italy is 16 years old. But in the end don't you agree that generally talking, more "intellectual" people are less easy to indoctrinate? Ignorant people are sometimes really scary to me....by the way do you have any data about what kind of people elected your new leader over there in Denmark? I'm just aware about some of her ideas on immigration.
The analysis is from 2011, but the distribution of voters is still valid.

I couldn't find anything in English,so this is gonna be an answer with a lot of translation, so hold on tight.

Red block:

Social Democratic Party is symbolized by a rose. Socialdemokratiet

SF; Socialist People's Party. Socialistisk Folkeparti

Ø; Unity List. Enhedslisten

B; The Radical Left.Det Radikale Venstre


Blue block:

KD; The Christian Democrats. Kristendemokraterne

DF; Danish People's Party.Dansk Folkeparti

V; Left. Venstre

K; Conservative. Konservative

I; Liberal Alliance


Education;

Folkeskolen 7 år eller kortere: Primary school 7 years or shorter (before 1972)

Folkeskole 8-10 år: Primary school 8-10 years

Mellem/Real/Præl: More than primary school but less than high school diploma (before 1974)

Stud/HF/HH: High school diploma

Erhvervsuddannelse: Skilled work

Høj uddan.kort varigh: (til og med 3 år): Higher education up to 3 years

Høj uddan.lang varigh.( mere end 3 år ): Higher education more than 3 years


If the number is 100, the party has as good a grip on the group as on the average Dane.

If the number is more than 100, the grip is better than on the average Dane and correspondingly less if it is below 100
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The Copenhagen Post - Danish News in English
 
Oct 2010
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DC
Are all "educated" people supposed to see the same data the same way ? or can multiple "educated" people disagree on what the data means ?

Look at any science debate from old times to contemporary times, people have different interpretations for the same exact set of data, that is why we have theories and peer review (to name a few), does an "educated" person have the ability to accept that they might be wrong at any point in time ?
 
Enlighten me.How many years should I have gone to school before I am not uneducated anymore?
I have no idea why you had such a catty response, its historically documented and modern documented that this is the case.

If you like I can site you examples from now to a thousand years ago, its not difficult.

People who are not knowledgeable are susceptible to believing what they are told because they don't have an expansive knowledge of how things work in general.
 
Nov 2018
277
Denmark
I have no idea why you had such a catty response, its historically documented and modern documented that this is the case.

If you like I can site you examples from now to a thousand years ago, its not difficult.

People who are not knowledgeable are susceptible to believing what they are told because they don't have an expansive knowledge of how things work in general.
I was just curious.

I can see that you have edited your answer, but your original answer came to my mail before then:
“In your case you could of gone to school for 100 years and probably still be uneducated.

In all seriousness I have no idea why you had such a catty response, its historically documented and modern documented that this is the case.

If you like I can site you examples from now to a thousand years ago, its not difficult.

People who are not knowledgeable are susceptible to believing what they are told because they don't have an expansive knowledge of how things work in general.”

So basically your opinion is that I'm stupid or what?
 

athena

Ad Honorem
Jan 2010
5,032
Eugene, Oregon
I do take that into account and agree with you quite readily. As I mentioned, with "uneducated" as a contributory factor, there are multiple other factors to consider such as experience and intelligence.

The problem with the premise of the OP, is that, historically, there have been large swaths of people that would be considered fairly well educated that have ostensibly been heavily indoctrinated into systemic political and religious schemes. Again, I am not equating indoctrination with a good or bad value.

IOW, I cannot conceive of a premise that is not contradicted by evidence with the idea of educated people being less prone to indoctrination than "uneducated" people.

To be clear though, when I say uneducated people I am talking about people who have not had a higher formal education. I do not equate uneducated with stupid.
It is not just about education, but what is being taught. Is there something that can be taught, that will lead to humans to making better moral decisions. Being smart but not wise is not a good thing. Holding the wrong beliefs can lead to revolutions, wars, and genocide. Is there anything we can do about this? I believe we can and I believe the solution is indoctrination. I would say assuming indoctrination is wrong is the mistake of the OP.

Within what I said is a slight disagreement with you. I sure as blazes, would not leave it up to the church to teach morals. A jealous, revengeful, fearsome and punishing God with modern day military technology and a president who acts like him, could be a problem? I think history has taught us such indoctrination that can lead to totalitarianism and horrific terror and that a different indoctrination is essential.
 

athena

Ad Honorem
Jan 2010
5,032
Eugene, Oregon
I have no idea why you had such a catty response, its historically documented and modern documented that this is the case.

If you like I can site you examples from now to a thousand years ago, its not difficult.

People who are not knowledgeable are susceptible to believing what they are told because they don't have an expansive knowledge of how things work in general.
Christians have a violent history and they held done human progress as much as China has done until Aristotelian logic changed everything. That logic did not prevent the terrors of the 20th century but feed into it as both sides of the world wars believed they were doing the will of God. And this belief system is very much threatening world peace today. Highly education people are sure they know God's will and the world would be a better place if everyone believed as they do. It is not just a matter of knowledge, but also a matter of beliefs.
 
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athena

Ad Honorem
Jan 2010
5,032
Eugene, Oregon
Are all "educated" people supposed to see the same data the same way ? or can multiple "educated" people disagree on what the data means ?

Look at any science debate from old times to contemporary times, people have different interpretations for the same exact set of data, that is why we have theories and peer review (to name a few), does an "educated" person have the ability to accept that they might be wrong at any point in time ?
That depends on what they are taught about humans and gods. I have a very old logic book that makes it very clear why we should never be too sure of ourselves. We also have a lot of science to back up doubting ourselves. Truth is essential to democracy and good moral judgment. I am very excited by the progress of science and hope a return to education for democracy will mean a better reality. The information about fast and slow thinking and why intelligent people make bad decisions, along with research on the science of good and evil, will hopefully revolutionize what we believe about humans, and then this new knowledge will revolution education again.

 
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Christians have a violent history and they held done human progress as much as China has done until Aristotelian logic changed everything. That logic did not prevent the terrors of the 20th century but feed into it as both sides of the world wars believed they were doing the will of God. And this belief system is very much threatening world peace today. Highly education people are sure they know God's will and the world would be a better place if everyone believed as they do. It is not just a matter of knowledge, but also a matter of beliefs.
That ........literally has nothing to do with the discussion topic.

The discussion is are uneducated people more likely to be indoctrinated, the answer is most definitely yes.

Highly educated people tell "you" they know gods will, not necessarily because they believe it, but because they use it to manipulate the less educated into doing their will.