Are principles of Baha'ism compatible with Islam and Christianity?

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Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
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Brassicaland
#1
At least for the current moment, the principles of Baha'ism are extremely quixotic or idealistic; they also work against the current nationalist interests.
Let's have a look: are these principles against Islam and Christianity or other major religions?
Buddhism and Daoism aren't interested in origin at all; they are more concerned about working on the current life; they are also special in the ascensions of humans, which is quite unlike Abrahamic faiths and older beliefs.


THE ONENESS OF MANKIND
*A fundamental teaching of Bahá'u'lláh is the oneness of the world of humanity. Addressing mankind He says, "Ye are all leaves of one tree and the fruits of one branch." By this it is meant that the world of humanity is like a tree, the nations or peoples are the different limbs or branches of that tree and the individual human creatures are as the fruits and blossoms thereof.
* Although in former centuries and times this subject received some measure of mention and consideration, it has now become the paramount issue and question in the religious and political conditions of the world. History shows that throughout the past there have been continual warfare and strife among the various nations, peoples and sects, but now.... in this century of illumination, hearts are inclined toward agreement and fellowship and minds are thoughtful upon the question of the unification of mankind.
* What incalculable benefits and blessings would descend upon the great human family if unity and brotherhood were established! In this century when the beneficent results of unity and the ill effects of discord are so clearly apparent, the means for the attainment and accomplishment of human fellowship have appeared in the world.
UNIVERSAL PEACE UPHELD BY A WORLD GOVERNMENT
* The world is in greatest need of international peace. Until it is established, mankind will not attain composure and tranquility. It is necessary that the nations and governments organize an international tribunal to which all their disputes and differences shall be referred. The decision of that tribunal shall be final.
*He (Bahá'u'lláh) exhorted them (rulers of the world) to peace and international agreement, making it incumbent upon them to establish a board of international arbitration; that from all nations and governments of the world there should be delegates selected for a congress of nations which should constitute a universal arbitral court of justice to settle international disputes.
*Warfare and strife will be uprooted, disagreement and dissension pass away and Universal Peace unite the nations and peoples of the world. All mankind will dwell together as one family, blend as the waves of one sea, shine as stars of one firmament and appear as fruits of the same tree.
* True civilization will unfurl its banner in the midmost heart of the world whenever a certain number of its distinguished and high-minded sovereigns--the shining exemplars of devotion and determination--shall for the good and happiness of all mankind, arise, with firm resolve and clear vision, to establish the Cause of Universal Peace. They must make the Cause of Peace the object of general consultation, and seek by every means in their power to establish a Union of the nations of the world.
They must conclude a binding treaty and establish a covenant, the provisions of which shall be sound, inviolable and definite. They must proclaim it to all the world and obtain for it the sanction of all the human race.This supreme and noble undertaking--the real source of the peace and well-being of all the world--should be regarded as sacred by all that dwell on earth. All the forces of humanity must be mobilized to ensure the stability and permanence of this Most Great Covenant. In this all--embracing Pact the limits and frontiers of each and every nation should be clearly fixed, the principles underlying the relations of governments towards one another definitely laid down, and all international agreements and obligations ascertained. In like manner, the size of the armaments of every government should be strictly limited, for if the preparations for war and the military forces of any nation should be allowed to increase, they will arouse the suspicion of others. The fundamental principle underlying this solemn Pact should be so fixed that if any government later violate any one of its provisions, all the governments on earth should arise to reduce it to utter submission, nay the human race as a whole should resolve, with every power at its disposal, to destroy that government. Should this greatest of all remedies be applied to the sick body of the world, it will assuredly recover from its ills and will remain eternally safe and secure.
INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF TRUTH
*God has given man the eye of investigation by which he may see and recognize truth. He has endowed man with ears that he may hear the message of reality and conferred upon him the gift of reason by which he may discover things for himself. This is his endowment and equipment for the investigation of reality. Man is not intended to see through the eyes of another, hear through another's ears nor comprehend with another's brain. Each human creature has individual endowment, power and responsibility in the creative plan of God.
THE COMMON FOUNDATION OF ALL RELIGIONS
*The foundation of all the divine religions is one. All are based upon reality. Reality does not admit plurality, yet amongst mankind there have arisen differences concerning the manifestations of God. Some have been Zoroastrians, some are Buddhists, some Jews, Christians, Mohammedans and so on. This has become a source of divergence whereas the teachings of the holy souls who founded the divine religions are one in essence and reality All these have served the world of humanity.... All have guided souls to the attainment of perfections, but among the nations certain imitations of ancestral forms of worship have arisen. These imitations are not the foundation and essence of the divine religions. Inasmuch as they differ from the reality and the essential teachings of the Manifestations of God, dissensions have arisen and prejudice has developed. Religious prejudice thus becomes the cause of warfare and battle. If we abandon these time-worn imitations and investigate reality all of us will be unified. No discord will remain; antagonism will disappear. All will associate in fellowship. All will enjoy the cordial bonds of friendship. The world of creation will then attain composure. The dark and gloomy clouds of blind imitations and dogmatic variances will be scattered and dispelled; the Sun of Reality will shine most gloriously.
THE ESSENTIAL HARMONY OF SCIENCE AND RELIGION
*Religion must conform to science and reason, otherwise it is superstition. God has created man in order that he may perceive the verity of existence and endowed him with mind or reason to discover truth. Therefore scientific knowledge and religious belief must be conformable to the analysis of this divine faculty in man.
EQUALITY OF MEN AND WOMEN
*There must be an equality of rights between men and women. Women shall receive an equal privilege of education. This will enable them to qualify and progress in all degrees of occupation and accomplishment. For the world of humanity possesses two wings, man and woman. If one wing remains incapable and defective, it will restrict the power of the other, and full flight will be impossible. Therefore the completeness and perfection of the human world is dependent upon the equal development of these two factors.
ELIMINATION OF PREJUDICE OF ALL KINDS
*Prejudice of all kinds, whether religious, racial, patriotic or political is destructive of divine foundations in man. All the warfare and bloodshed in human history have been the outcome of prejudice. This earth is one home and nativity. God has created mankind with equal endowment and right to live upon the earth. As a city is the home of all its inhabitants, although each may have his individual place or residence therein, so the earth's surface is one wide native land or home for all races of humankind.
UNIVERSAL COMPULSORY EDUCATION
*... inasmuch as ignorance and lack of education are barriers of separation among mankind, all must receive training and instruction. Trough this provision the lack of mutual understanding will be remedied and the unity of mankind furthered and advanced. Universal education is a universal law. It is therefore incumbent upon every father to teach and instruct his children according to his possibilities. If he is unable to educate them, the body politic, the representative of the people, must provide the means for their education.
A SPIRITUAL SOLUTION TO THE ECONOMIC PROBLEM
*Among the results of the manifestation of spiritual forces will be that the human world will adapt itself to a new social form, the justice of God will become manifest throughout human affairs and human equality will be universally established.The poor will receive a great bestowal and the rich attain eternal happiness. For although at the present time the rich enjoy the greatest luxury and comfort, they are nevertheless deprived of eternal happiness; for eternal happiness is contingent upon giving and the poor are everywhere in the state of abject need. Through the manifestation of God's great equity the poor of the world will be rewarded and assisted fully and there will be a readjustment in the economic conditions of mankind so that in the future there will not be the abnormally rich nor the abject poor. The rich will enjoy the privilege of this new economic condition as well as the poor, for owing to certain provision and restriction they will not be able to accumulate so much as to be burdened by its management, while the poor will be relieved from the stress of want and misery.
A UNIVERSAL AUXILIARY LANGUAGE
*Bahá'u'lláh has proclaimed the adoption of a universal language. A language shall be agreed upon by which unity will be established in the world. Each person will require training in two languages, his native tongue and the universal auxiliary form of speech. This will facilitate intercommunication and dispel the misunderstandings which the barriers of language have occasioned in the world.
 

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Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
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Brassicaland
#2
These principles look good on paper; they are against the current political economy and international situation.
Even John Lennon's song Imagine includes the lyric "imagine there's no countries"; this is currently beyond our system of government.
I found Independent Investigation of Truth and the Common Foundation of All Religions
a little self-contradictory.
 

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Ad Honorem
Oct 2016
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Australia
#3
These principles look good on paper; they are against the current political economy and international situation.
Even John Lennon's song Imagine includes the lyric "imagine there's no countries"; this is currently beyond our system of government.
I found Independent Investigation of Truth and the Common Foundation of All Religions
a little self-contradictory.
It sounds like you think something being against the current political economy as being a bad thing ?

I think it needs a total re-vamp ..... but I cant imagine how !

As far as countries go ... its very tricky, as some 'country areas' seem natural and others a false creation made after wars by the victors, that have since fallen apart and been reformed, and it still doesnt work.

What did you find 'contradictory' in the Independent Investigation of Truth and the Common Foundation of All Religions principles ?

I do not think though that given the current nationalistic and political 'economy' that Baha'i Religion is compatible with either Islam or Christianity ..... I think the idea is , it was supposed to 'absorb' them , or allow their adherents and others to find a new way of expression that addresses some of the problems they created ...... in their 'lower aspects'.

However, all of them, in their higher aspects actually agree, when one gets to the heart of things ; hence the idea about ' the Common Foundation of All Religions ' .

It may not be a good model for the current political economy ... but I see that as a bad thing ! It dies appear good fro building new communities in the 'third world', where it was growing rapidly, in some cases above population increase.

I dont understand your comments about their principles being bad for the current world situation ?

In my experience, years back , when I first had contact with Baha'is I was very impressed. There had been some nasty racial tension around, some ethnic gang warfare, a group of Vietnamese had knifed some Lebanese, they Lebs went and got guns and came back, that somehow flared into a Christian and Muslim Leb war ..... it was going off !

Then I went to this Baha'i function / festival thing .... there were Chinese, Viets Lebs, Israeli Assyrians , Australians, Italians ... all having a great time together, many were in traditional dress, there were stalls with various traditional food, culture performances, then they went into temple and shared reading the scripture of their cultures together; Torah, Bible, Koran, Sutras, Baha'i scripture, Vedas, Avesta ....

I could not see any problem with that myself .

I note you say you have found it 'self contradictory' , but you did not explain why ?
 

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Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,292
Brassicaland
#4
It sounds like you think something being against the current political economy as being a bad thing ?

I think it needs a total re-vamp ..... but I cant imagine how !

As far as countries go ... its very tricky, as some 'country areas' seem natural and others a false creation made after wars by the victors, that have since fallen apart and been reformed, and it still doesnt work.

What did you find 'contradictory' in the Independent Investigation of Truth and the Common Foundation of All Religions principles ?

I do not think though that given the current nationalistic and political 'economy' that Baha'i Religion is compatible with either Islam or Christianity ..... I think the idea is , it was supposed to 'absorb' them , or allow their adherents and others to find a new way of expression that addresses some of the problems they created ...... in their 'lower aspects'.

However, all of them, in their higher aspects actually agree, when one gets to the heart of things ; hence the idea about ' the Common Foundation of All Religions ' .

It may not be a good model for the current political economy ... but I see that as a bad thing ! It dies appear good fro building new communities in the 'third world', where it was growing rapidly, in some cases above population increase.

I dont understand your comments about their principles being bad for the current world situation ?

In my experience, years back , when I first had contact with Baha'is I was very impressed. There had been some nasty racial tension around, some ethnic gang warfare, a group of Vietnamese had knifed some Lebanese, they Lebs went and got guns and came back, that somehow flared into a Christian and Muslim Leb war ..... it was going off !

Then I went to this Baha'i function / festival thing .... there were Chinese, Viets Lebs, Israeli Assyrians , Australians, Italians ... all having a great time together, many were in traditional dress, there were stalls with various traditional food, culture performances, then they went into temple and shared reading the scripture of their cultures together; Torah, Bible, Koran, Sutras, Baha'i scripture, Vedas, Avesta ....

I could not see any problem with that myself .

I note you say you have found it 'self contradictory' , but you did not explain why ?
On one hand, it talks about free inquiry; on the other hand, it talks about the common foundation of all religions.
Then again, Baha'ism is one of the most modernized religions that is compatible with contemporary standards of human rights.
The fact is that religions differ both in goals and beliefs.
Buddhism does not seek the origin and the nature of the universe; it is part of the "14 non-issues"; rather, it seeks the path to liberate from the cycle of life and death.
Christianity is about the salvation of humanity by Christ.
Even on the weibo of the Daoist priest Liang Xinyang, a Christian has argued with me about the ethical degeneration of humanity and sins.
We have mixed results with human ethics.
On one hand, our society is markedly less violent than the medieval time, and many countries have recognized standards of human rights.
On the other hand, some witness high profile cases of extreme human violence and abuses.
How does humanity compare to its medieval and ancient counterpart?
 

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