Are right-wing Indians against learning about 1857?

Jan 2019
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I recently came across this old article:

Who killed India's 1857 legacy?

Apparently many Hindu nationalists dislike the 1857 rebellion because it was an example of Hindus and Muslims fighting side-by-side. Not just sepoys either, many zamindars that were both Hindu and Muslim fought together such as the Hindus and Meos of Haryana and Thakur Vishwanath Sahdeo and Nadir Ali Khan of Jharkhand. It is certainly true that 1857 has largely been forgotten from the national consciousness aside from some references to certain figures like Mangal Pandey and Rani Laxmibai.
 
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Oct 2015
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#2
The conclusions that Hindu nationalists dislike the 1857 legacy is misleading and incorrect.

1857 Mutiny and War for Independence is seen as by all Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis; as something to be remembered and be proud of.

It was lead by Hindu as well as Muslim leaders. Among Hindus were mostly by Maratha leaders which actually converted it into a War for Independence. These included Nana Sahib, Tatya Tope, and Rani Lakshmi Bai. Among Muslims were Bahadur Shah Zafar and Begum Hazrat Mahal.

At worst someone can say that Hindus idolize Hindu leaders while Muslims idolize Muslim leaders. This is incorrect because in Indian school textbooks Zafar is always mentioned and also that British shot dead his children. So Hindus & Muslims in India have equal regards for Zafar. On the whole all hold 1857 as a proud memory of a valiant fight put up against British.
 
Oct 2015
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#3
One of the rather famous "Hindu nationalist" is Veer Savarkar who gave the 1857 event the name of 'War for Independence'. Here is a comment on his views on Bahadur Shah Zafar:

"He [Savarkar] approvingly quotes the newly installed Emperor of Hindustan's Proclamation [Bahadur Shah Zafar's proclaimation]:

"Hindus and Mohamadans of India! Arise! Brethren arise! Of all the gifts of God, the most gracious is that of Swaraj. God does not wish that you should remain idle. He has inspired in the hearts of Hindus and Mohamedans the desire to turn the English out of our country." " [1]

So Hindus & Hindu nationalists hold Zafar in high esteem like other freedom fighters..

Reference

[1] The Hindu : Opinion / News Analysis : The spirit of 1857
 
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Jan 2019
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Among Hindus were mostly by Maratha leaders which actually converted it into a War for Independence.
I'm afraid that is a common misconception. The number of Marathi Hindus in 1857 was tiny in the grand scheme of things. Each region had their own leader for example Haryana had Rao Tula Ram and Raja Nahar Singh, West UP had Shahmal Tomar and Dhan Singh Gurjar, Bihar had Kunwar Singh, Hare Krishna Singh, Babu Amar Singh etc, Jharkhand had Thakur Bishwanath Sahdeo and Pandey Ganpat Rai, Chhatisgarh had Veer Narayan Singh. These leaders all engaged the British and had no relation to the Marathis and many contributed even more.

On the whole all hold 1857 as a proud memory of a valiant fight put up against British.
I agree but it is undeniable that its memory has faded from the public consciousness.
 
Oct 2015
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#5
Yes, there were so many leaders who fought against British. Everyone who laid his life is respected & remembered. Also the unknown soldiers who were tied to fronts of cannons and blown-off.
 

kandal

Ad Honorem
Aug 2015
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#6
The only one who is to be respected and remembered for the 1857 mutiny should be the British. If Indians had succeeded in the mutiny, there would be no India today, as a unified nation. British was still a few decades away from completely conquering and uniting Indian subcontinent and fixing the Indian borders, as shown in the British India map of 1857. So restrain this nonsensical nationalism.

 
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The only one who is to be respected and remembered for the 1857 mutiny should be the British. If Indians had succeeded in the mutiny, there would be no India today, as a unified nation. British was still a few decades away from completely conquering and uniting Indian subcontinent and fixing the Indian borders, as shown in the British India map of 1857. So restrain this nonsensical nationalism.

Anti India hatred aside, if we go by that Logic then there would be no UK today if a French duke had not invaded England. Counterfactuals can go in many directions and its not like the subcontinent is divided among 8 + nation states (as of today) and many non British territories and 500+ semi independent states along with places like Kashmir and Sikkim etc when the British ran away in 1947.
 
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The only one who is to be respected and remembered for the 1857 mutiny should be the British. If Indians had succeeded in the mutiny, there would be no India today, as a unified nation. British was still a few decades away from completely conquering and uniting Indian subcontinent and fixing the Indian borders, as shown in the British India map of 1857. So restrain this nonsensical nationalism.
Hi @kandal

Your views are based on the fiction created by 20th century colonial historiography. The assessment of the men involved in the wars in 19th century and their contemporary colonial historians are different. Here is one:

"And it seems quite probable that, but for the increase of british power in the country, India would, through the Marathas, have been restored to the Hindus. - India, by Fannie Roper Feudge. 1903. page-498

Perhaps your strong revulsion to oppressive caste system and not being updated with current changes & trends, leads to such conclusions. As I have said so many times, even British have stopped saying that colonization was an unmixed blessing for India.
 

kandal

Ad Honorem
Aug 2015
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#9
Yes, there were so many leaders who fought against British. Everyone who laid his life is respected & remembered. Also the unknown soldiers who were tied to fronts of cannons and blown-off.
Blowing off from cannons as a punishment was practiced by Indians against Indians before the British.
 

kandal

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Aug 2015
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#10
Supporting the 1857 Indian mutiny is actually an anti-Indian mindset against a unified India. It comes from not correctly understanding what the subcontinent was really like in those times. It is also the result a blind nationalism, where rational thinking doesn't exist.
 
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