Aromanians in Greece, Albania and Bulgaria

Apr 2014
What rights they have in this countries?

What role did they play in the history of this countries?

Of what origin they are considered to be, by officials of this countries?

Why they culture and language is in danger of assimilation?

I hope this will be a a nice discussion. :)

Interesting, in a full crisis, playing with European money, the Greeks even find the funds to buy the Aromanian identity?
The question stands thus: Greeks want to have a large number of compatriots in Albania. And for that they pay on Aromanians to declare Greece. Know that for example, a retired 65 old declaring Greek receives over 380 euros per month, even if not worked at all for the money.
Why Greece wants a large number of compatriots in Albania?

This is truth?

"Aromanians in Greece today: Save your folklore, forget your language!
Intimidation and repression of Aromanians by local Greek politicians, teachers, priests as well as the nationalist press in the period between the civil war and the military dictatorship has led to a tabooing of minority topics in Greece. I have heard about Aromanian children who were punished for speaking Aromanian at school well into the 1970s and 1980s. Aromanians with such experiences usually maintain a strong antipathy towards the Greek policy and preserve, until today (especially in the Balkans and the diaspora), feelings of belonging to an Aromanian minority.

In 2001, no fewer than 31 Vlach-speaking mayors and heads of village signed a protest resolution against the US State Department Report on the human rights situation in Greece. They complained "against the direct or indirect characterisation of the Vlach-speaking Greeks as an ethnic, linguistic or other minority, stating that the Vlach-speaking Greeks never requested to be recognised by the Greek state as a minority, stressing that historically and culturally they were and still are an integral part of Hellenism, they would be bilingual and Aromanian would be secondary".

On 2nd February 2001, the trial of the Aromanian activist Sotiris Bletsas in Athens revived again the discussion about the Aromanians’ rights in Greece. Bletsas was accused of distributing maps printed by the European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages (EBLUL),[56] which showed the minority languages in Greece, at a Vlach festival in 1995. The witnesses for the prosecution against Bletsas included an Aromanian mayor.On 18th December 2001 he was acquitted as innocent. Bletsas’ acquittal paved the way for the EBLUL meeting on 26th January 2002 in Salonika, which was arranged for representatives of the linguistic minorities of Greece. The 1st International Conference of the EBLUL has been held in Salonika on 15th November 2002.[58] During the conference more than 100 persons demonstrated against the intentions of the conference.

On 28th May 2002, an incident occurred at the Book Exhibition of Salonika involving around 100 right-wing militants who stormed the stands where publications from Balkan countries were being displayed. They exercised their own variety of censorship by removing and burning books from those Balkan countries, the content of which was considered by some persons to be insulting. A large number of these books were Vlach literature from the Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). Another example of insufficient tolerance is the publishing (or non-publishing) of books with Aromanian subjects.

It is typical that most classical scientific literature on the Aromanians has yet to be translated into the Greek, whereas there are translations in nearly every other Balkan language. The Greek edition of M. D. Peyfuss’ thesis "Die Aromunische Frage" has to date not been possible although the translation has been finished for time. My own Greek translation of Gustav Weigand’s "Die Aromunen" has been edited and commented on in the most abominable way by the right-wing secretary of the "Information Center of Ethnic Problems," Achille Lazarou.

Most recently, on 18th August 2003, the Pan-Hellenic Federation of Cultural Associations of Vlachs issued again a strong protest on the occasion of the direct or indirect characterisation of the Vlach-speaking Greeks as an ethnic, linguistic or other type of minority, a position expressed in the latest report issued by the American organisation "Freedom House".

The classification as belonging to a minority may for some people be a compliment or a privilege, for others it is disturbing and suspicious. As the term minority in Greece is officially used only when speaking about Muslims in Western Thrace, this expression has a negative undertone for Christian groups. Furthermore, Greece’s minority policy often interpreted the linguistic and cultural otherness of Aromanians, Arvanites and Slavomacedonians as not-Greek, anti-Greek or disloyal towards the Greek state.

Most Aromanians in Greece will for these reasons continue to refuse being called a minority. If one describes them as a minority in Greece, regardless of their protests against this classification, one has to call them a minority in the Balkans too; if one calls them Greek one has to call them at least partially Albanian, Serb, Romanian etc. in other countries. And everybody who uses the term Vlach-speaking Greeks should realise that they became Greek-speaking Vlachs some time ago.

Source: NL27_1: Aromanians in Greece
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Mar 2014
I consider the question "how have the Aromanians/Vlahs evolved, and how have they been perceived in the countries of South Balcans, where they live, along the centuries, an important one, and am looking forward to an informative and equilibrated discussion. I consider that it is now more than ever important to have a fair understanding of this important and very particular ethny in South East Europe.

The evolution of national states led them to a situation which is very probably below the critical mass for continuing their cultural existence in autonomy. The same holds for Reto-Romans in Switzerland. Yet, open and unbiased recognition is for instance an important distinctive factor. Of course, Switzerland is rich and has a long multiethnic tradition - so I would not appreciate a discussion for revendications, but one for understanding. Of course, understanding goest through facing reality!

I have also read here Grecia a fost falimentat? de aromâni | Zboar? Niangrâpsiti - blog armânescu about the awkward news concerning the interest of Greek government in recent years, to have a high number of conationals in Albania. Interest that was manifested by the fact that employees of the Ambassy travel to Aromanian villages trying to persuade these to declare themselves as Greek ethnics - the reward being a Greek retirement pension (the priests mentions the amoung of 380 Eurp/pm ) from the Greek government, for free. Apparently an interesting deal for Albania.

This news has been confirmed in several other journals in Romania at least - I may imagine that the fact is less known in Albanaia or Greece. Anyhow, Albania recognized the Aromanian minority, culture and language, in the last days - and thus troubled waters for fishing citizen disappear: the candidates for Greek citizenship, can now declare themselves as what they are, namley Aromanians. I am happy that we can put a closing remark on this issue, since I have deep compassion and respect for the troubles that the Greep peoples are going to, due to the debt crisis - they are the victims, hardly any of them produced it, those who did are elsewhere and saved their money.

So I would find it disgracious in such times to wonder how and why the Greek government finds money to 'buy' citizen in Albania - a troubling question. To relatethis to the general debt crisis, which concerns a whole country and population, should not be done, out of respcet for the people. My humble opinion. Of course, the most optimistic outcome would be if someone is more knowledgeable and has a 'natural' explanation of the phenomenon, helping to clarify the issue. But even if it is a Mormon - like fishing for prozelites, I think it concerns only some hidden few, and not 'the Greek'.
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Mar 2014
Here is an other moving story about the life and martyr of a symbol Aromanians, the priest Haralambie Balamaci. He was killed on March 23, 1914 by a whole gang of 'unknown' vandals. He had been known over several decades as one who worked for gaving strength for Aromanian culture, through teaching and lithurgy in the own language, mainly. His life is an epopee of those times, he has been declared in 1994 "Teacher of the People" by the president of Albania Sali Berisha, himself!

This story fits well in the context we discussed with Yorgos time ago, namely that the period before WW1 has been one of violent conflicts and repression of Aromanian identity. In the biography of Balamaci we can see more in detail what the focus of conflict was: expressing identity in culture, church in language was inacceptable. It is 100 years ago, the commemoration happened recently! Whoever is interested, can have a look, try google translate, and feel free to ask - some people here or even myself, time allowing, can help with translating relevant pieces of the text.
Apr 2014
Since November 1912 , 44 aromanians signatories to a memorandum sent Prime minister Titu Maiorescu , showed that antarţii Greeks ravaged and burned 250 aromanian homes , residents were forced to flee .

In turn, the Romanian minister in Constantinople , DC Ionescu give his report to Maiorescu on 8 January 1913 that the war many families fled , and houses were looted by başbuzici and groups of "revolutionary Christians" . At Vlaho Gorge , başbuzicii Greeks burned books and destroyed the ground aromanin school , a similar fate had the school and church Lumniţa .

I.n. Papiniu appointed Minister of Romania in Athens on June 24, 1905 , was commissioned by General Lahovary to communicate with audiences occasion of the Greek Foreign Minister , Rhallys and King George (pictured ) , "painful impression which the Romanian people felt the Greek gangs action on aromanians massacres in Turkey" and that attitude Patriarchate "worse day by day our relations from the Patriarchate ."

Romanian representative in Athens has warned Greek leaders that the Romanian government will retaliate after public pressure , the conditions under which the Greek Government did not intervene to end the massacres and persecutions of the Greeks against the aromanians , and did not recognize the Patriarch of the Romanian language in churches compliance . Greek Foreign Minister has acknowledged the existence of a "Romanian element" in Turkey .

When they were translated to the aromanains death threats Apostle Hagi - Gogu cousin of tape heads and Athalis Kostas Acritas Buias and was demonstrated the existence of " Romanian element " Greek diplomat said he heard " for the first time about massacres in villages set " and will investigate the case to present further details.

However, the Greeks considered the attacks a defense to the action method Bulgarian gangs , saying he doubted the authenticity of the letters, while the only Greek companies active in Turkey called " Epicurus " and deals with the repair of churches and schools . Do not forget to mention that it can influence attitude Patriarchate " protest against the way in which Your Excellency 's instructions put the question and cons tone " after an hour and 20 minutes of discussion.
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Apr 2014
Neagu Djuvara : "Policy supporting Aromanians in the interwar period by the Romanian state was wrong . Romanian State sent them Romanian teachers, which led to a distortion of the Aromanian dialect . We should had to send teachers who spoke Aromanian", says historian .

He said that the only intervention that Romania should do besides the Greek state is asking that the Aromanians are recognized as a minority in Greece. "I do not know how we can help more Aromanians while the Greeks deny that they have other nationalities in their territory. Maybe Romanian politicians should intervene with the Greek for recognition of this ethnic group , but it is very hard to achieve this."

Neagu Djuvara urged Aromanians in the Balkans to fight for their cultural and political rights because it is hard to believe that someone else will do it for them.


Ad Honorem
Apr 2012
Neagu Djuvara : "Policy supporting Aromanians in the interwar period by the Romanian state was wrong . Romanian State sent them Romanian teachers, which led to a distortion of the Aromanian dialect . We should had to send teachers who spoke Aromanian", says historian .
If those Romanian schools abroad led to the distortion of Aromanian dialect it means they were very successful amongst Aromanians, who crowded to learn there. Djuvara [ame=""]Neagu Djuvara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] is a seniled mediocrity who writes and tells from platitudes to aberrations. Do you know which was his first memorable experience after he came back to Romania? He fell in a latrine near Grădina Icoaneiădina_Icoanei.
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