Aryan Invasion of Europe

Jun 2018
47
India
#1
As per the steep hypothesis , nomads from caucus invaded eastern Europe . Did they kill the natives or did they mix in with them ? What genetic lineage did they brought to the European population ? Why is their culture different from those who moved south and East ? What was the culture of native non Indo-European Europeans ( sounds mouthful ) ? What was their number ?


Indo-Iranian are/were far more linked to each other culturally and linguistically than their western counterparts .
 
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Naima

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Jun 2014
2,323
Venice
#2
As per the steep hypothesis , nomads from caucus invaded eastern Europe . Did they kill the natives or did they mix in with them ? What genetic lineage did they brought to the European population ? Why is their culture different from those who moved south and East ? What was the culture of native non Indo-European Europeans ( sounds mouthful ) ? What was their number ?


Indo-Iranian are/were far more linked to each other culturally and linguistically than their western counterparts .
THey did overlay on native populations, their culture is not different from the ones that moved south , It evolved throught millennia and all have the same common source .
 
Jun 2018
47
India
#3
THey did overlay on native populations, their culture is not different from the ones that moved south , It evolved throught millennia and all have the same common source .
European branch of pre Christian faiths have far more in common with each other than with the Indo Iranian branch .

Greeks , Persians and Egyptians were in contact with each other in pre Alexander years . That may explain the cultural exchanges and similarity .

After Alexander's conquest, World opened upto India . Greeks and Indians strongly influenced each other which can be seen in art , astrology and astronomy , culture etc .

A common source to me is a mere hypothesis . Dravidian and Harappan culture has a strong influence on Aryan culture . Which is clearly visible in Hinduism . Instead of being bent on common origin/source hypothesis we must look for a multiple source hypothesis coming together influencing each other .
 

specul8

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Oct 2016
3,351
Australia
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As per the steep hypothesis , nomads from caucus invaded eastern Europe . Did they kill the natives or did they mix in with them ? What genetic lineage did they brought to the European population ? Why is their culture different from those who moved south and East ? What was the culture of native non Indo-European Europeans ( sounds mouthful ) ? What was their number ? .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Europe_(archaeology)

https://www.belili.org/marija/marler_article_02.pdf
 
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Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
5,648
New Delhi, India
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These are interesting maps if you are into men and how they moved around. As of November last year so there is new data out there
Excellent maps. Thanks. Unfortunately I have an eye infection. So a close study will have to wait.
Nice links, Specul. Went through the conclusions, a detailed study will have to wait.
 
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Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
5,648
New Delhi, India
#7
As per the steep hypothesis , nomads from caucus invaded eastern Europe . Did they kill the natives or did they mix in with them ? What genetic lineage did they brought to the European population ? Why is their culture different from those who moved south and East ? What was the culture of native non Indo-European Europeans ( sounds mouthful ) ? What was their number ?

Indo-Iranian are/were far more linked to each other culturally and linguistically than their western counterparts .
Steppes.
Yes, a few might have been killed on both sides, but I do not think there were massacres. Indo-Europeans were generally of mixing type, contrary to the Nazi description of being marauders.
Indo-European languages which is now spoken not only in Europe but over much of Asia too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages



There is a big time difference and they (both branches) met different type of people, developed in different ways. Naturally Indo-Iranians were together till 2,000 BC, stayed in adjacent countries and were in contact till Zoroaster separated them. That is why.
 
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Jun 2018
47
India
#8
Steppes.
Yes, a few might have been killed on both sides, but I do not think there were massacres. Indo-Europeans were generally of mixing type, contrary to the Nazi description of being marauders.
Indo-European languages which is now spoken not only in Europe but over much of Asia too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages



There is a big time difference and they (both branches) met different type of people, developed in different ways. Naturally Indo-Iranians were together till 2,000 BC, stayed in adjacent countries and were in contact till Zoroaster separated them. That is why.
Can we differentiate between which part of European culture and genetics now is of native origin , semite origin and which part of it is from PIE ?

I think the guys who migrated south and east were different from those who migrated north and west . Recently I came across an opinion of Indo-Iranians made up of competing tribes which explains their views regarding Devas and Asuras ? Or were these interpretation after the split in the Indo-Iranian branch ?
 
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robto

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Jun 2014
6,144
Lisbon, Portugal
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As per the steep hypothesis , nomads from caucus invaded eastern Europe . Did they kill the natives or did they mix in with them ? What genetic lineage did they brought to the European population ? Why is their culture different from those who moved south and East ? What was the culture of native non Indo-European Europeans ( sounds mouthful ) ? What was their number ?


Indo-Iranian are/were far more linked to each other culturally and linguistically than their western counterparts .
It's very hard to tell if the coming Steppes people into Europe did commit genocide or large-scale massacre on the "Old Europeans". According to genetic and archaeological evidence, there was certainly mixing of Steppes people with people that lived along the Danube valley and around Eastern Europe during the early phases of the Corded Ware culture.

But according to genetic studies published in the last two years or so, they find out that there was almost total population replacement once those Steppes admixed people moved to Central, Western Europe and Scandinavia.
In Iberia and the Mediterranean region it was a different story - those Steppes people only contributed partially to their genetic lineage. Southern Europeans are still mostly descendant from Neolithic Near East farmers.
 
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