at what point was Germany the mightiest?

at what point was Germany the mightiest?

  • 1871

    Votes: 9 17.3%
  • 1914

    Votes: 14 26.9%
  • 1941

    Votes: 24 46.2%
  • 2012

    Votes: 11 21.2%

  • Total voters
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May 2012
390
San Diego, CA
#11
Germans tried to conquer Europe 2 times by using guns in 20.century.

Early 21.century Germans are conquering Europe without guns.

Let's see how many years will this continue? :lol:
 

Lucius

Forum Staff
Jan 2007
16,363
Nebraska
#14
At what point was Germany the mightiest? That would be 9 May 1871; one day before the Treaty of Frankfurt.

Prussia had been an army with a country. After that date, Germany was.

That was not going to work.
 
Mar 2011
5,047
Brazil
#16
So really nobody else has something to say on this?
Germany's peak power relative to the rest of the world was probably around 1914. During WW1 Germany was the country that produced the greatest volume of armaments and fought the weight of the forces of all other great power together for 4 years.

By 1940 Germany was already losing it's position relative to the rest of the world. Though by 1941 the territory under German control was the most powerful ever, about 1/3 of the world's GDP and 2/3 of the world's "intellectual output" (nobel prize winners), however, Germany didn't assimilate this territory and thus I consider 1914 the real peak.
 
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Lucius

Forum Staff
Jan 2007
16,363
Nebraska
#17
Hmm, how did you get to that?
Prior to the foundation of the Second Reich, in the 1850s, ten million Germans left Germany to get away from what the Prussian Army was pleased to call The North German Confederation. They were calling the shots from before the beginning.

Bismarck had the trust of the Junker class. Windthorst(or whoever), could never have gotten away with passing old-age pensions or workmen's compensation laws. There would have been a coup, or a putsch, or however one says it.

Is that what you meant when you wrote the word, "that"?

EDIT -

Wait, I see what you're saying(maybe). Okay. Make it June 30, 1867 - the last day before the ratification of the North German Confederation.
 
May 2012
4
Norway
#18
I would defenetly say 1941 with having occupied France, the lower countries, Norway, Denmark and most of eastern europe. Not sure excactly the amount of people lived in all these countries at the time including Germany, but i would say there was a handfull or two.
 

Zeno

Ad Honoris
Jan 2010
13,691
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#19
I think today they are more powerful than ever. It's just: so are most other nations. In any case, the last thing we want them to have is an inferiority complex. ;)
 

Grimald

Ad Honorem
Nov 2011
5,906
Hercynian Forest
#20
Definitely in the years before WWI, maybe 1890-1914. At that time, Germany was much more industrialized than in 1871, and had built up its leading position in the sciences more clearly than ever before. The German language was widely used as a lingua franca in Central and Eastern Europe, and talented people were flocking to Berlin (and Vienna) from allover Europe. The country's demography was favorable, with a huge youth bulge. Germany's cities were full of new architecture, with new train stations, theaters, and elegant appartment buildings. The 20th century could have been Germany's century, but it was wasted.

In 1941, Germany's position only appeared to be good. But many of the most talented people had left the country, undermining its leading position in science and culture, and the country was ruled by a criminal gang who did not have any long-term strategy. In my opinion, National Socialism was doomed from the beginning, because of its aggressive and anti-human nature. The war meant that people allover Europe started to hate Germany and the Germans, permanently damaging its position.

Well, today - just look at the small state that Germany has become, much smaller than France or Spain. The German language has become insignificant in science, business or international affairs. France and the UK have a much higher international standing, with their permanent seats in the UN Security Council, their nuclear weapons, their diplomatic, cultural and linguistic net of influence. Germany is only important due to its economy, but the demographic data suggest that Germany will be left behind by both France and the UK in the next decades. And in contrast to the UK, Germany does not appear to be capable of attracting enough talented immigrants.
 
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