Aztec Empire vs. Ming Empire: Which was more dominant?

Aztec Empire or Ming China: More dominant force?

  • Ming

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  • Aztecs

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    16

Haakbus

Ad Honorem
Aug 2013
3,664
United States
#2
The Aztecs were hardly an empire. More like a network of city-states that submitted to Tenochtitlan and were in the process of being consolidated into a single state.

The Ming were one of the most powerful empires in the world at that time.
 
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Oct 2018
1,209
Adelaide south Australia
#3
The Aztecs were hardly an empire. More like a network of city-states that submitted to Tenochtitlan and were in the process of being consolidated into a single state.

The Ming were one of the most powerful empires in the world at that time.
The Aztec were not actually conquered by conquistadores. They were conquered when Spanish use the subject tribes/kingdoms to destroy the Aztec' 'empire' A virtually impossible feat for the Spanish alone.

it is my understanding that the Aztec did not simply kill the Spaniards as they arrived because the Spanish arrival was fulfilment of prophecy. Is that a reason accepted by scholars?
 

Haakbus

Ad Honorem
Aug 2013
3,664
United States
#4
The Aztec were not actually conquered by conquistadores. They were conquered when Spanish use the subject tribes/kingdoms to destroy the Aztec' 'empire' A virtually impossible feat for the Spanish alone.

it is my understanding that the Aztec did not simply kill the Spaniards as they arrived because the Spanish arrival was fulfilment of prophecy. Is that a reason accepted by scholars?
Yes there were around 12,000 Spaniards and like at least 80,000 rebel natives.

That's what I've heard, the Aztecs believed the Spaniards were a fulfillment of a prophecy involving Quetzalcoatl IIRC. Of course the Conquistadors themselves were a rough crowd out for gold and blood (likely they were the only ones willing to go to some distant shore to get gold and territory for their monarchs). They weren't necessarily representative of what most Europeans back home would do.
 
Oct 2009
3,452
San Diego
#5
The Aztec were not actually conquered by conquistadores. They were conquered when Spanish use the subject tribes/kingdoms to destroy the Aztec' 'empire' A virtually impossible feat for the Spanish alone.

it is my understanding that the Aztec did not simply kill the Spaniards as they arrived because the Spanish arrival was fulfilment of prophecy. Is that a reason accepted by scholars?
Not entirely- There is ample evidence that a large contingent of Cortez's men were massacred on their way to join Cortez by Aztecs in an outlying province.

There was a tradition about a bearded God... arriving at the end of a calendar cycle and Cortez happened to land near the end of a calendar cycle. But the Aztec were simply not equipped to stop Cortez near the coast- the farther you went from their main cities, the less actual force could they project- rather, outlying tribes of people were simply tributaries who the Aztec periodically RAIDED for slave, sacrifices, and produce as a from hegemonic tax.

The Aztec rather hear rumors about these bearded men that were like a bad game of telephone- they hear that the were only men on top and had the lower bodies of animals ( because coastal peoples had never seen a man on a horse before- they herd that they could kill from a great distance using thunder. And that they had arrived on clouds. ( again- what does a sail ship under full sail that is six or ten miles away look like to someone who has never seen anything even remotely like it.?)

That was enough to plant doubt into the Aztec leadership and they thought the best thing was to just wait until they had had a chance to SEE these being in person before they believed whole heartedly. After all, they were only 500 men and the Aztec were a whole empire...
Sadly- by the time Cortez arrived Montezuma could SEE plainly that they were just men... and they rode beasts... he could also see that 10,000 of his tributary tribes had joined with Cortez and were eager to overthrow the Aztecs.
 

Tulius

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May 2016
5,104
Portugal
#6
Yes there were around 12,000 Spaniards and like at least 80,000 rebel natives.
You probably mean 1200 Spanish, not 12.000. And that is an optimistic figure.

Hernán Cortés begun the expedition with 500/600 men and later was able to gather some more from another expedition led by Pánfilo de Narváez, that initially had 1100 men. But in the battle between the two Spanish factions there were casualties. And meanwhile the Spanish had huge casualties when they retreated from the capital.

About the "rebels" we don’t know the exact numbers, and 80.000 is a huge number. I think Diaz de Castillo mentions 800 Tlaxcalans, but they could be some more.
 

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