Back to Eden or Road to Hell ?

Dec 2015
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There are tens of thousands just like him.... left their country with nothing.... I dont know how much poorer he could have been...
He has time and money for a vacation, a house's worth of furniture, family in another country, and a decent car.

That's not what most people imagine when they think of poor, because it isn't poor.

Found a job, lived on a budget, saved as much as he could.... Every 3 or 4 years he comes back to his country to visit his family... meanwhile he transfers them money.... In some countries tranfers from migrant are the number 1 source of hard currency.... At some point he probably took a loan and bought a car....
This all sounds made up.

And he does not have a summer home , he is coming back to visit his extended family (parents , brothers, sisters etc...)
After spending a vacation, as in paid time off, in another country.

That's the average story of such migrants, they even have special words for them....
Yeah, not poor.
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
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He has time and money for a vacation, a house's worth of furniture, family in another country, and a decent car.

That's not what most people imagine when they think of poor, because it isn't poor.



This all sounds made up.


After spending a vacation, as in paid time off, in another country.



Yeah, not poor.
1 month paid vacation is standard in western Europe.

And yeah, he is no longer poor, that is precisely the point.. He started off poor, moved to another country, got a job and an income after a while he became lower middle class... That is a classical scenario... And the hope that drives most migrants

As much as you want to deny that this happens, this actually does happen and happens quite frequently... and in the US as well

https://studybreaks.com/news-politics/immigrants-success/

“It’s a very open concept, but we know that however we define it, many immigrants are very successful in the United States

. A 2015 study conducted by CIS shows that 41 percent of all immigrants are in or near poverty, compared to the 28.4 percent of native-born Americans.


which still means that almost 60% are not poor
 
Dec 2015
2,512
USA
What about diplomas in "fields" like women's studies, lgbtq(fghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz) studies and similar mumbo jumbo? Can you even find a job with such a diploma to pay off your student loan debt?
I'll just humor this and say not many degrees, even hard science degrees, have the return as they used to. More people are getting into medical school, law school, and graduate school just to increase their chances and inflation is already impacting those spheres of academia.
 
Dec 2015
2,512
USA
1 month paid vacation is standard in western Europe.
And not in the USA.

And yeah, he is no longer poor, that is precisely the point.. He started off poor, moved to another country, got a job and an income after a while he became lower middle class... That is a classical scenario... And the hope that drives most migrants
He had family already there and he had money already coming in. Granted, Europe has more safety nets for both citizens and immigrants, so it's not that surprising since that's what those safety nets are designed to do.

As much as you want to deny that this happens, this actually does happen and happens quite frequently... and in the US as well

https://studybreaks.com/news-politics/immigrants-success/

“It’s a very open concept, but we know that however we define it, many immigrants are very successful in the United States

. A 2015 study conducted by CIS shows that 41 percent of all immigrants are in or near poverty, compared to the 28.4 percent of native-born Americans.


which still means that almost 60% are not poor
So nearly half of immigrants are poor, while only a quarter of native-born of Americans are.

That's not really a success story.
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
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He had family already there and he had money already coming in. Granted, Europe has more safety nets for both citizens and immigrants, so it's not that surprising since that's what those safety nets are designed to do.



So nearly half of immigrants are poor, while only a quarter of native-born of Americans are.

That's not really a success story.
He did not have family there nor any money coming in... The photo is a picture of him coming back to his country of origin to visit his family and bring them gifts

41% is not really "nearly half".... 59% are not poor and that's a majority...
 

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