Bad events (other than wars) that resulted in some positive outcomes

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
19,931
SoCal
#21
The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire led to labor reform.

Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire - Wikipedia
Can't one similarly say that the poor conditions in US meatpacking plants led to the creation of the US FDA?

The widely despised Indian Removal Act of 1830 most likely prevented the total annihilation and/or assimilation of several native tribes. Some of these tribes today retain their culture that would have been lost if they were assimilated into the general population.
I certainly don't endorse forced assimilation, but couldn't life for these Indians have been much better had they assimilated as opposed to been deported to Oklahoma? I mean, didn't something like a quarter of Indians who traveled on the Trail of Tears die during their jouney?
 
Aug 2018
446
Southern Indiana
#24
Can't one similarly say that the poor conditions in US meatpacking plants led to the creation of the US FDA?


I certainly don't endorse forced assimilation, but couldn't life for these Indians have been much better had they assimilated as opposed to been deported to Oklahoma? I mean, didn't something like a quarter of Indians who traveled on the Trail of Tears die during their jouney?
Look up the Gnaddenhutten massacre, over 100 converted Christian Delaware taken from gathering corn, forced into a church, tomahawked by white militia and then the church was burned.

It really depends upon the tribe, the Wyandot for example handled their own removal and suffered no fatalities, they were given a pretty good reserve with river frontage in Missouri, it wasn't until the 2nd round of removals in the 1860's that they were forced to Oklahoma. The removal out west did have the effect of allowing some tribes to continue their traditional lifestyle for at least a few more decades and/or give them more time to adapt to the changes happening around them. Before removal some tribes who assimilated well, suffered from the scourge of whiskey sellers all around them, secondly they had no recourse to the law, essentially a white man would never be convicted of killing an Indian.

Georgia was another deal in itself, it was ready to unilaterally without the consent of the US government remove all natives from the state by any means necessary which included genocide. Even before that they had laws that made it extremely easy to cheat Indians in any business dealings.

The case of the Miami of Indiana are an interesting case, about half the tribe was allowed to stay on reserves set aside for them on their own land, half was moved out west. The half that remained in Indiana suffered a loss in population for several decades, much of it alcohol and violence related.

Some tribes that were essentially remnant tribes of les than 100 people were allowed to stay and were absorbed into the population.

The Ottawa took it badly with some individuals running away and living on the fringes along waterways until they died.
 
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Scaeva

Ad Honorem
Oct 2012
5,586
#25
Can't one similarly say that the poor conditions in US meatpacking plants led to the creation of the US FDA?
I don't know too much about the history of the FDA but am not surprised to read that it may have been similar. It generally seems to be the case that humans are not very good at preemptively passing reforms. It usually takes a some dramatic event or disaster to shock politicians into action.

On that note, the Great Stink and the Cuyahoga River Fire would be good candidates for this thread...

Re-Smelling London's Great Stink Of 1858

http://www.history.com/news/epa-earth-day-cleveland-cuyahoga-river-fire-clean-water-act
 
Aug 2018
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Southern Indiana
#26
What good is retaining their original culture do to the tribal members. Remember that every culture - including the culture of everyone who reads this - limits the thought possibilities and freedom of action of every member of the culture.
I agree with this, but at the same time I don't, Differences in culture, in human expression, makes the world interesting, it makes history interesting. Although culture can and often divides people, it is important to people, but I do not think culture is sacred. I don't have any problem with cultural appropriation, although sometimes it may be insensitive and in bad taste, I think it's all fair game.
 
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Mar 2019
1,446
Kansas
#27
Bali Bombing - 2002

Indonesia and Australia had always been at odds with each, even the point of border skirmishes occurring 1980s Australia's entire defense policy was geared towards a potential conflict with Indonesia.

In October 2002 a series of bombs were detonated in and around a night club in Bali resulting in 202 people killed and a further 209 people being injured.

Initially Indonesian authorities asked Australian forensic experts to assist in the investigation

In response Australia paid for a large number of burn patients to be flown to a specialist hospital in Australia . Almost over night Indonesia's attitude to Australia changed, and visa versa. Suddenly a much greater effort at cooperating to find intelligent solutions to conflicts appeared and both sides embraced it

Fast forward 2 years to the Christmas Tsunami, Australia with large contingent of other nations brought aid and comfort to Indonesia. And all of a sudden the two countries were as tight as old friends in regards to economic political and defense issues. With luck both nations will continue to build this relationship

All started by some halfwits dead set on dividing the two countries :)