Battle of Tours

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Jun 2006
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732 : Battle of Tours

At the Battle of Tours near Poitiers, France, Frankish leader Charles Martel, a Christian, defeats a large army of Spanish Moors, halting the Muslim advance into Western Europe. Abd-ar-Rahman, the Muslim governor of Cordoba, was killed in the fighting, and the Moors retreated from Gaul, never to return in such force.

Charles was the illegitimate son of Pepin, the powerful mayor of the palace of Austrasia and effective ruler of the Frankish kingdom. After Pepin died in 714 (with no surviving legitimate sons), Charles beat out Pepin's three grandsons in a power struggle and became mayor of the Franks. He expanded the Frankish territory under his control and in 732 repulsed an onslaught by the Muslims.

Victory at Tours ensured the ruling dynasty of Martel's family, the Carolingians. His son Pepin became the first Carolingian king of the Franks, and his grandson Charlemagne carved out a vast empire that stretched across Europe.
 
Jul 2006
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Sure one of the most important battles in human history, the outcome not only favoured Charles Martel, but stopped Arabs.
It's a really big what if, if Arabs won this battle what would happen to Europe. The key i think was that Martel dimounted his more armored bu slower cavalry and put them with the infantry thus making a shield wall that could be not penetrated from the Arabs.

Sure a sound victory. I must notice that this was only 1 of the 3 victories that assured European victory, the other 2 wer in the east in front of the walls of Konstaninopel in 687 and 713 were Byzantines used "Ygron Pyr" (Liquid fire) to destroy the Arab fleet.
 
Aug 2006
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Without Charles Martel's fantastic victory, we would all no doubt be praying to the east five times a bloody day?

The consequences of an islamic victory in 732 would have possibly created a radically alternative world?
 
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kingtaker said:
Without Charles Martel's fantastic victory, we would all no doubt be praying to the east five times a bloody day?

The consequences of an islamic victory in 732 would have possibly created a radically alternative world?
The exact opposite actually. Muslims don't war against Muslims. Or the Koran forbids it.
 
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Breth said:
kingtaker said:
Without Charles Martel's fantastic victory, we would all no doubt be praying to the east five times a bloody day?

The consequences of an islamic victory in 732 would have possibly created a radically alternative world?
The exact opposite actually. Muslims don't war against Muslims. Or the Koran forbids it.
Oh?.......Iran-Iraq war?
 

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Aug 2006
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Breth said:
kingtaker said:
Without Charles Martel's fantastic victory, we would all no doubt be praying to the east five times a bloody day?

The consequences of an islamic victory in 732 would have possibly created a radically alternative world?
The exact opposite actually. Muslims don't war against Muslims. Or the Koran forbids it.

Muslims fight against one another quite a bit actually. Sunnis and Shiites have major problems getting along with one another. Kingtaker is also right...you had the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980's. There is more fighting amongst Islam than most people know.