Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in pea

Dec 2015
3,494
USA
#26
The names Israel and Palestine are centuries old. For that matter, consider that Christians, Muslims and Jews have lived in Israel/Palestine for over 1500 years. The maps from Wikipedia do not discount these facts...not that I know what the point of such posts were from redbad, perhaps redbads post are meant to say Israel has a right to exist. Any country has a right to exist whether its China or Israel, but over time lands have changed hands... I could post a world map showing the Roman Empire at its height and maybe imply that modern Europe, North Africa and the Middle east borders are currently wrong, they need to be righted and they need to represent the Roman Empire at its height.



Modern day Israel Palestine does not need an intolerant Jewish or Muslim leadership. The intolerance from both sides of Israel and Palestine translates to offensive views such as the view that the Muslims or Jews follow a violent religion based on conquering others...this type of view of course leads to division, that is what some Israels and Palestinians want that is continued division based on insulting each others religion. This very thread outlined Jewish and Muslim testimony throughout history to showcase that indeed in the 20th century before Israel came about in 1948...that yes Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in peace in the Holy Land and not just in the Muslim Ottoman Empire, a glorious Empire which lasted centuries on end...but also in the Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem of the 12th century did Jew, Muslim, and Christian live in peace according to a 12 century Muslim scholar.

For those using words like dhimmi and goyim in such a negative manner, as if all Muslims view non Muslims as dhimmi and all Jews view non Jews as goyim...and saying things like well Mitzvah and Jihad is a very violent ideology...such an anti religious approach ignores the millions of Muslims and Jews of history whom led peaceful lives. And one can not say well those peaceful Muslims and Jews were not following in the violent Jihad warrior ways of Muhammad or the Jewish warrior ways of David, nay the very issue is that many Muslims and Jews of history have presented convincing theological arguments to present their religions as non violent religions that promote equality. And because tolerant Muslims and Jews have existed, I do not understand that approach of the anti religious view that view that tries to say well look its Islam or Judaism that is the problem.
 
Oct 2011
7,654
MARE PACIFICVM
#27
Nowhere in this passage does Jesus endorse violence. Nor is he condemning Jews in general (he was still considered Jewish at this time). He is addressing the religious authorities who are incapable of understanding his message. They claim to be men of God yet can not recognize God when he comes before them. Thus they are liars, hypocrites, children of the Devil. But this condemnation in no way applies to Jews as a people (again, Jesus himself and most of his followers at this time were Jewish, anti-Semitism would be non-sensical).
 
Jun 2012
7,156
Malaysia
#30
then I will show you the evidence directly from the Koran:

http://www.submission.ws/equran/reader/#epubcfi(/6/2[titlepage]!/4/1:0)

Do you realize how that verse in that book gives the discretion and authority to people like jihadist to execute the killing? It is very clear, that one may kill those who wage war against them. Fact:)
Interesting.

So, all you relied on was this one quote, '[2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.'

FYI, if you still cannot grasp it, exhortations such as 'You may kill those who wage war against you', 'You may evict them whence they evicted you', 'Oppression is worse than murder', 'If they attack you, you may kill them' and such other similar stuff are universal principles applicable to any culture, tribe or nation, in any place or period of time in history. Therefore, that they are repeated in the Koran does not make the Koran evil, and its purveyor, as in your own words, the 'author of evil'. You are just misusing & abusing them for the purpose of advancing your agenda to keep painting Islam & Muslims in a bad light.

You'd better stop this kind of behaviour, bro. It's just not cool.
 
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