Bias in the judical system

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,113
#21
Mean while black drug offenders get sentenced far more often and harshly than white drug offenders despite both being equal in users of drugs. Majority of people arrested in the Crack epidemic where black despite Latino and whites being the majority of users of crack
Focusing on just one factor (in this case skin color) is a sure way to get wrong results. There are multiple factors in crime (location, education, access to good lawyers, type of crime etc... etc..)....

Somebody already gave a counter example: women get sentenced far less than men (there are about 10 times less women than men in jail in the US)... does this mean the US justice system is incredibly sexist ? Obviously not, there are many other factors than sex at play here....
 
Apr 2015
226
Canada
#22
Focusing on just one factor (in this case skin color) is a sure way to get wrong results. There are multiple factors in crime (location, education, access to good lawyers, type of crime etc... etc..)....

Somebody already gave a counter example: women get sentenced far less than men (there are about 10 times less women than men in jail in the US)... does this mean the US justice system is incredibly sexist ? Obviously not, there are many other factors than sex at play here....
I would say that is evidence maybe not overwhelming but evidence nonetheless.
 

larkin

Ad Honorem
Sep 2009
3,698
#23
From serious crime to the most trivial teenage offense concludes with the same result. There is no way back. Race and the plead out system is genocide in slow motion. The system is meant to destroy black people but can be easily be redirected to any race or group

Want to know about the US justice system? Read the "The New Jim Crow"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow

Jobs outsourced, computerization and now, robotics is producing a large population of utterly superfluous people. What to do with them?

As in Asia where pushing education standards higher and higher to compete with the world, the US puts higher education out of the reach of many and instead builds more and more prisons.

The odious private prison industry is the foundation for an American Gulag. 2.5 million and counting.
 
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tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,113
#24
From serious crime to the most trivial teenage offense concludes with the same result. There is no way back. Race and the plead out system is genocide in slow motion. The system is meant to destroy black people but can be easily be redirected to any race or group
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There were some 12 million african americans in 1950... In 2017 there were some 48 million or about 4 times more (while the overall population grew by a factor of about 2.2 in the same time period)..... The words "genocide" and "destroy" dont really seem appropriate

BlackDemographics.com | The African American Population

In 2017 US Census Bureau estimated 47,411,470 African Americans in the United States meaning that 14.6% of the total American population of 325.7 Million is Black. This includes those who identify as ‘Black Only’ and as ‘Black in combination with another race’. The ‘Black Only’ category by itself totaled 43.5 million African Americans or 13.4% of the total population
 

sparky

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
4,094
Sydney
#25
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It would seems to me that blaming the high rate of criminality in black neighborhood on some bias in the justice system is to have the problem backward.
 

larkin

Ad Honorem
Sep 2009
3,698
#26
There were some 12 million african americans in 1950... In 2017 there were some 48 million or about 4 times more (while the overall population grew by a factor of about 2.2 in the same time period)..... The words "genocide" and "destroy" dont really seem appropriate

BlackDemographics.com | The African American Population

In 2017 US Census Bureau estimated 47,411,470 African Americans in the United States meaning that 14.6% of the total American population of 325.7 Million is Black. This includes those who identify as ‘Black Only’ and as ‘Black in combination with another race’. The ‘Black Only’ category by itself totaled 43.5 million African Americans or 13.4% of the total population

Nice collection of figures.. You've taken my metaphor literally.
When I say genocide in slow motion, I mean that even for a trivial and youthful offense, you are locked out of the society for a life time. This is meant to illustrate a bias in the justice system of the United States that is a danger to all because it could be easily re-directed to any group.


The most onerous aspect of American justice is the plead-out system. With little or no evidence they threaten the suspect with life without parole if they try to take it to trial. The police offer a suspect 7 to10 years to admit to a crime that they may or may not have committed. Rather than go to trial, they cut their losses and “plead-out”. Less than 5% take it to trial because they do not have the funds to prove their innocence and the cost is 30, 40 years in prison for un-established guilt.


In Manhattan's effort to gentrify, they were arresting black men and accusing them of urinating in the ally and the street most often with no proof. Once in police hands, they were told that they could go home if they just admitted to the act. In other words “Plead-out”.


Upon release they were informed their admission had placed them on the “Sex Offender Registry” This is social and economic banishment for life at the hands of a private agency acting on the behalf of the justice department on a national level. In Manhattan between the years of 1990 and 2010 there were between 10,000 and 20,000 similar cases. The justice department, locally and nationally now takes the word of a private company that is in business to make a profit.

Back to the original question.
I am using the more obvious disparity between black and white to illustrate gross bias in the system of justice in the US. The danger is that it can be aimed at any group, religion or race that falls into disfavor and the inequities of the American justice system, allows it..

Currently, Americans are told to be afraid of terrorists, illegals, spy journalists, Islam and, perhaps, Russians. In the US, the Department of Justice is no longer reliant on the Constitution and it is ready to rise to the challenge.
 

Fox

Ad Honorem
Oct 2011
3,899
Korea
#27
The most onerous aspect of American justice is the plead-out system. With little or no evidence they threaten the suspect with life without parole if they try to take it to trial. The police offer a suspect 7 to 10 years to admit to a crime that they may or may not have committed. Rather than go to trial, they cut their losses and “plead-out”. Less than 5% take it to trial because they do not have the funds to prove their innocence and the cost is 30, 40 years in prison for un-established guilt.
I don't remember the exact statistics so as to speak with authority, but generally speaking, Larkin is correct here. Plea bargains exert a toxic force on the American justice system; they save time, money, and prosecutor face in return for crushing at least some innocent people in the bargain (note: link is to a PDF download).
 
Aug 2014
4,218
Australia
#28
There is definitely a bias in the judicial system. That bias is against the poor, regardless of their race. It costs tens of thousands of dollars to mount even a basic defence. For capital crimes a decent defence can cost over a hundred thousand dollars. In addition, the defendant is likely to lose his job during the trial process. Public defenders are not given the resources to do their job properly and so encourage their client to plead out to save the time and cost of going to trial.
 
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Jul 2016
8,684
USA
#29
There is definitely a bias in the judicial system. That bias is against the poor, regardless of their race. It costs tens of thousands of dollars to mount even a basic defence. For capital crimes a decent defence can cost over a hundred thousand dollars. In addition, the defendant is likely to lose his job during the trial process.
AKA, life isn't fair. Poor, stupid, handicapped, all are going to have it bad. Just like its not fair when a limping infantry antelope is stalked by the lions while the healthy adults need not worry. Because nature is biased.
 
Mar 2018
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UK
#30
AKA, life isn't fair. Poor, stupid, handicapped, all are going to have it bad. Just like its not fair when a limping infantry antelope is stalked by the lions while the healthy adults need not worry. Because nature is biased.
Sure, we can all agree that's how nature is. But that doesn't make it a good thing. Handicapped people would starve to death in a "natural" mesolithic world, but we generally don't want that to happen now.