Bullsh*t jobs

sparky

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
4,802
Sydney
#2
80% of people used to be needed to grow food , the productivity was so low it could only feed a 20% surplus
now 5% of people grow the food , the rest has to be sustained in some form even if it has no purpose
 
Jan 2017
780
UK
#3
Haven't read the book so I'm curious about his definition of BS job, whether it relates to entry-level jobs which require little to no skill, or it complains about the growth of service jobs at the expense of the manufacturing industry (the good ol' days). The former is true everywhere , the latter is a complaint on the type of work along with the attributes required to carry it out (manufacturing prioritises manual dexterity & physical fitness, services relies more on social skills). How does he arrive at 30% ?

First we need to decide which job sectors matter & pick the jobs which do count, then figure out if a job from a meaningless sector can still benefit society (is a cleaner in a hospital more important to society than CEO of a fake tan company?). It all boils down to what we value as a society, there isn't a clear consensus on that and I doubt there ever will be.
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,755
#4
Haven't read the book so I'm curious about his definition of BS job, whether it relates to entry-level jobs which require little to no skill, or it complains about the growth of service jobs at the expense of the manufacturing industry (the good ol' days). The former is true everywhere , the latter is a complaint on the type of work along with the attributes required to carry it out (manufacturing prioritises manual dexterity & physical fitness, services relies more on social skills). How does he arrive at 30% ?

First we need to decide which job sectors matter & pick the jobs which do count, then figure out if a job from a meaningless sector can still benefit society (is a cleaner in a hospital more important to society than CEO of a fake tan company?). It all boils down to what we value as a society, there isn't a clear consensus on that and I doubt there ever will be.

Graeber’s defines a BS job as ‘a form of paid employment that is so completely pointless, unnecessary, or pernicious that even the employee cannot justify its existence even though, as part of the conditions of employment, the employee feels obliged to pretend that this is not the case’

so its unrelated to skill or pay (one could have a BS job and be highly paid) or sector
 

specul8

Ad Honorem
Oct 2016
3,351
Australia
#7
Folding old jumpers that no one will ever buy at the 'Op-shop' (opportunity shop, also known as thrift shop... or goodwill. where you buy stuff people have donated to charity ) .

Example : Friends son , a great kid, now a competent youth, but out in the country hard to find a job, so he goes on unemployment. Then he signs up for the local volunteer bush fire service. Does extra training and becomes crew leader. Then has a young baby with GF. Station boss is killed in accident so he has to do extra training and take over. Then massive fires erupt interstate. he leaves partner and baby and travels with others to help fight fires, saving lives and homes.

he gets back and the unemployment office calls him in for interview. They tell him he must now do volunteer work to get his payment . He says " No worries, I do it all the time, I am the chief at local fire station and I just returned from interstate fire fighting."

"Sorry, the department does not accept the volunteer bush fire fighting service as volunteer work." Nothing he did could get through it, the official answer was, we just don't.

So he had to give up the work at the fire station and was told he had to go and help at the local charity shop ... standing around all day and helping the old ladies that volunteered there fold up jumpers that no one will ever buy and sort old underwear.

It didn't take long, they left the area to find work.

I guess the tactic worked, he isn't unemployed anymore . I hope we don't get a fire though .

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" Here you are Ma'am , we saved your baby . "


Nope !



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Oh NOOO ! I found a size 16 jumper in the size 18 section !
 
Jul 2016
9,679
USA
#8
"David Rolfe Graeber (/ˈɡreɪbər/; born 12 February 1961) is a London-based anthropologist and anarchist activist, perhaps best known for his 2011 volume Debt: The First 5000 Years. He is Professor of Anthropology at the London School of Economics."

LOL, sounds like someone to take life lessons from, especially about employment and economics. I'm sure a socialist-anarchist activist would never be biased or deceitful in discussing job markets and employment. Because socialist anarchist activists don't do that, they're honest people with clear morals and ethics!
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,755
#9
"David Rolfe Graeber (/ˈɡreɪbər/; born 12 February 1961) is a London-based anthropologist and anarchist activist, perhaps best known for his 2011 volume Debt: The First 5000 Years. He is Professor of Anthropology at the London School of Economics."

LOL, sounds like someone to take life lessons from, especially about employment and economics. I'm sure a socialist-anarchist activist would never be biased or deceitful in discussing job markets and employment. Because socialist anarchist activists don't do that, they're honest people with clear morals and ethics!
He could be Beelzebub , but the question is does he have a point..... ?
 
Jul 2016
9,679
USA
#10
He could be Beelzebub , but the question is does he have a point..... ?
I don't know, I don't want to find out. Why would I take employment advice from a socialist-anarchist? Would I take culinary advice from a Swede? Hell no, Surströmming doesn't sound very appealing. Medical advice from an African witch doctor? No thanks, my problems aren't caused by spells cast on me, I'll stick to my current primary care physician. Technological advice from the Amish? No thanks, my smart phone would make a poor hammer.

There are some people in life whose opinions should just be ignored. I think that is one of the greatest lessons in life leading to someone being able to call themselves "wise." Don't take employment advice from a socialist-anarchist. Its probably going to be crap.
 

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