Bullsh*t jobs

Jan 2019
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As other people have said, the definition of a *** job is highly dependent on one's ideology. Some of my *** jobs:

The fashion industry is based on the assumption that one becomes a different or better person just by changing clothes. I see no difference between racism and fashion. Why is it wrong to judge someone by the color of their skin but perfectly OK to judge someone by the clothes they wear? Both are superficial bases for evaluating a person's worth. Character is a far superior basis.

Most of the financial sector does not create new wealth - it just moves existing wealth around. Venture capital does create jobs and bring new products and services to the market, but most money on Wall Street is not in venture capital. Most buying and selling of stocks and bonds is just transferring money from buyers to sellers, especially those investors who only hold stocks for a short period. The stock market tends to encourage short term goals at the expense of long term goals. (I readily admit I do it myself. I'm heavily invested in the market.)

Personal injury law does not create new wealth - it just transfers money from those who have it to those who can convince a court they've been injured.

Gambling, whether by casinos, horse and dog tracks, lotteries, etc, provides a minimum of entertainment value but mostly just transfers wealth from those who earn it to those who are lucky. There are other entertainment options.

The tax preparation industry is based on the assumption that people only get married, have children, buy a home, save for college or retirement, give to charity, etc only because there are tax incentives to do so. We could do away with the tax preparation industry just by having a tax code free of deductions, exemptions, credits, etc. How much money did you make last year? - This is how much tax you should have paid. No arguments over 'But I should pay less than other people because my behavior conforms with society's expectations.' You may or may not be a conformist but not because of the tax code.

Jobs that create more problems than they solve, perhaps by making dangerous products like tobacco. Opioids are another one - a great short term solution to the problem of pain, but no one planned on long term opioid addiction. There are other solutions to pain management even if they are more expensive in the short term they are probably cheaper in the long term.

Anyone who works in sales, advertising, or marketing - if your job is to convince people to buy something they don't want or need, then you have a *** job.
Sales and marketing are arguably the most important facet of any company. How does capitalism work without competition in the market?

How do you combat competition from other companies in your field without distinguishing yourself in the marketplace? You need a sales and marketing team.

I can start a company tomorrow, but if I can't let the world know that I exist, what's the purpose? If I'm sitting in my office waiting for purchase orders to fall from the sky, how long do you think I would stay in business?

Sales people aren't designed to sell people things they don't need, but to help people discover a need they didn't know they had. There are different layers of sales..

Retail? If they're working in the store, they usually are interested in the product prior to walking in the door.

B2B sales? The object isn't to sell them something they don't need or want, but to establish a win-win situation for the customer. For the most part, companies aren't stupid. They aren't going to move forward with a purchase without some certainty that it's the best path forward.

If you're speaking about dishonesty in sales and marketing, there isn't a single profession where they wouldn't be detrimental. However, you can't categorize an entire group of professions because of their potential to do harm.
 

aggienation

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Jul 2016
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Well, it is very clever. And historically one of the things the Swedes and the Japanese share. The ur-sushi was based on the same principle.

Still you might go for it, if the creature comforts of modern refrigeration (also a Swedish invention) go tits up an we have to resort to pre-technological conservation methods in order to eat in situations with a scarcity of fresh food.
I'm not saying its not useful calories if the power goes out. But I've seen videos of people popping the cans and attempting to eat that stuff. No thanks.
 

aggienation

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Jul 2016
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I'm not sure his theory of "bullshit jobs" is advice so much as it's an anthropologist attempting to document the society around him. Actually, if anthropology is to be a "useful" discipline, focusing first and foremost on one's own society or major adjacent societies seems more profitable than fixating on tiny tribal groups at the fringe of civilization. Given that, although one should obviously be aware of and take into account his ideological predispositions, it seems like he might have something worth saying.
Said anthropologist isn't trying to document society, he's trying to destroy it so his utopia can be created on its ashes. For that to happen capitalism must collapse. To do that, they need to make it appear bad, to shake the confidence people place in it so they are willing to accept an unproven alternative. Which is why he's writing about "Bullsh*t Jobs," he wants everyday people to wake up to the fact that its all nonsense, that there are people out there doing what he sees as useless jobs and getting paid big bucks. Which is unfair. And the fault of capitalism.
 

Larrey

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Sep 2011
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I'm not saying its not useful calories if the power goes out. But I've seen videos of people popping the cans and attempting to eat that stuff. No thanks.
Funny thing, Sweden is so large that's a specific northern regional speciality. My northern father-in-law is very keen on it. But also Pitepalt with bacon, butter and lingonberries, which might be more to your taste? Wholesome food developed for people who tended to spend their day logging timber in the forests, kind of thing. (Though you tend to get constipated just looking at them, while your arteries gel-up.)
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The BBC show "Qi" once made a segment using the "Phone a Random Swede" feature the Swedish Foreign Office ran for a while, to ask as Swede why they eat surströmming?

They got hold of a southerner. He had no idea.
 

Isleifson

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Well, it is very clever. And historically one of the things the Swedes and the Japanese share. The ur-sushi was based on the same principle.

Still you might go for it, if the creature comforts of modern refrigeration (also a Swedish invention) go tits up an we have to resort to pre-technological conservation methods in order to eat in situations with a scarcity of fresh food.
I had Surströmming many times and I am still alive.

Just try this


Hákarl - Wikipedia
 
Sep 2017
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United States
I don't know, I don't want to find out. Why would I take employment advice from a socialist-anarchist? Would I take culinary advice from a Swede? Hell no, Surströmming doesn't sound very appealing. Medical advice from an African witch doctor? No thanks, my problems aren't caused by spells cast on me, I'll stick to my current primary care physician. Technological advice from the Amish? No thanks, my smart phone would make a poor hammer.

There are some people in life whose opinions should just be ignored. I think that is one of the greatest lessons in life leading to someone being able to call themselves "wise." Don't take employment advice from a socialist-anarchist. Its probably going to be crap.
I fundamentally disagree. Anyone, no matter how ignorant, and no matter if accidentally, can raise a question or viewpoint that forces one to reconsider his own, or at least better understand why he believes what he believes and how to better articulate and communicate it. There's always something to learn from anyone; surely, taking medical advice from a Witch Doctor isn't smart, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't hear what the Witch Doctor has to say and try and figure out how and why they believe their powers work. Who knows what hidden insight you may find?

In this particular case, while it does sound like the author is mostly just spewing sensational nonsense, he nevertheless raises an interesting question that has people engaged in genuine discussion: are there "useless" jobs and what defines them?
 

aggienation

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Jul 2016
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I fundamentally disagree. Anyone, no matter how ignorant, and no matter if accidentally, can raise a question or viewpoint that forces one to reconsider his own, or at least better understand why he believes what he believes and how to better articulate and communicate it. There's always something to learn from anyone; surely, taking medical advice from a Witch Doctor isn't smart, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't hear what the Witch Doctor has to say and try and figure out how and why they believe their powers work. Who knows what hidden insight you may find?

In this particular case, while it does sound like the author is mostly just spewing sensational nonsense, he nevertheless raises an interesting question that has people engaged in genuine discussion: are there "useless" jobs and what defines them?
The hidden insight has a name. Nonsense. High standards exist not because those individuals are listened to, but because they are ignored. Nobody but anthropologists care why a witch doctor believes someone with HIV can sleep with a child to cure it, its just nonsense. Likewise, I don't need a PhD in anthropology to know that the opinion of a socialist activist bent on destroying capitalism, writing about something involving capitalism, is propaganda and nothing more. I did my due diligence, read Marx, so I know his points.

Useless jobs don't exist. You might not find them valuable, but someone does, because that is why there is a paycheck associated with them.
 
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Jan 2019
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I fundamentally disagree. Anyone, no matter how ignorant, and no matter if accidentally, can raise a question or viewpoint that forces one to reconsider his own, or at least better understand why he believes what he believes and how to better articulate and communicate it. There's always something to learn from anyone; surely, taking medical advice from a Witch Doctor isn't smart, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't hear what the Witch Doctor has to say and try and figure out how and why they believe their powers work. Who knows what hidden insight you may find?

In this particular case, while it does sound like the author is mostly just spewing sensational nonsense, he nevertheless raises an interesting question that has people engaged in genuine discussion: are there "useless" jobs and what defines them?
You can listen to anyone. How you choose to spend your time during a day is your own business. However, I agree with aggienation. There is no sense in acknowledging nonsense. It only empowers more nonsense. Did you know there is a large group of people who still believe the world is flat? If something that stupid can gain traction in the modern world, couldn't this?

I suppose you could learn the person's opinion is subjective and that you should no longer waste your time speaking with them. Time is a precious resource.