Bullsh*t jobs

Jan 2019
130
USA
If that is true, then you are actively helping him and pursuing it by continuing to argue on this thread and debate the topic.

You have a chance now to convince those who might otherwise agree with him that they are wrong, and should take this opportunity to put forth why his premise is flawed and counter anyone who is inclined to agree with him.
I don't know if Historum is the publicity he is talking about. More or less, why argue something so subjective? Arguments that revolve around people's feelings rarely have finality. You can't argue the way someone feels.

His entire book is based off a perception. I would recommend you read his Wiki. He has been an academic his entire life (not that its a bad thing). What experience does he possess in a corporate work environment? He has no experience on the subject matter.

You know what is even more frightening? This guy was an educator.
 

aggienation

Ad Honorem
Jul 2016
9,813
USA
OK

What happens if customers actually check, or realize the amount is too high for what they ordered ?
Potential to get fired if they complain to a manager. Or waiter can claim it was a mistake. Or waiter can get another buddy waiter to say they're the manager and then act all penitent and do nothing once customers leave (which is common when someone demands to talk to a manager, they just get a buddy to act like one).

Its harder to do it now, between credit cards but mostly because systems are automating the checks to cut down on it, but it used to be a very common scheme.
 

aggienation

Ad Honorem
Jul 2016
9,813
USA
I don't know if Historum is the publicity he is talking about. More or less, why argue something so subjective? Arguments that revolve around people's feelings rarely have finality. You can't argue the way someone feels.

His entire book is based off a perception. I would recommend you read his Wiki. He has been an academic his entire life (not that its a bad thing). What experience does he possess in a corporate work environment? He has no experience on the subject matter.

You know what is even more frightening? This guy was an educator.
Is an educator.
 

specul8

Ad Honorem
Oct 2016
3,411
Australia
A substantial portion of the western world has to numb themselves on alcohol, drugs, and SSRI psych meds because they think life as a whole is meaningless. That isn't because it is, its because they lack resilience and are unhappy.

Don't like your job? Leave.

SHHHHH ! You will spoil ' the good life ' for those of us that had resilience and are now happier . They need to stay in those jobs and in the city .

They should not come here ... they would not like it ... terrible place !




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Sep 2017
770
United States
I don't know if Historum is the publicity he is talking about. More or less, why argue something so subjective? Arguments that revolve around people's feelings rarely have finality. You can't argue the way someone feels.

His entire book is based off a perception. I would recommend you read his Wiki. He has been an academic his entire life (not that its a bad thing). What experience does he possess in a corporate work environment? He has no experience on the subject matter.

You know what is even more frightening? This guy was an educator.
I assumed it was since all discussion was happening here, though if he meant more broadly, I would mostly apply the same rules. Sure, it's subjective, but there's enough elements that are concrete to argue and persuade others. You can feel that job X is useless, but someone can nigh-objectively show why that job isn't useless.

And I in no way think he's right. I just believe that anyone can potentially raise a valid point and that nobody should be shut out before they've been given a chance to speak. It's mostly about the idea of automatically dismissing somebody without looking at their point of view and reasoning for the context at hand. With this man specifically, regardless of his actions as a socialist and whatever he may be trying to sell with his book, he has brought up a question that merits some discussion and thought.
 

Earl_of_Rochester

Ad Honoris
Feb 2011
13,609
Perambulating in St James' Park
So let me get this straight. Let's say I manage to con my company into doing little to no work and they pay me. This might even go on for a while, because my management sucks and doesn't supervise, they don't bother to actually check, so I get away with not doing anything and getting paid. According to you my job is BS. Yet my job was created with a task. Who is doing that task when I don't? If my job is BS, whose job is made harder because I don't do my job?

If that job is truly useless and has no task assigned to it, then its not supposed to exist, and the failure is on management for not knowing and doing something about it.

Jobs come and go, they're supposed to. They're only supposed to exist because a demand is being supplied. Once the demand is gone, then the job should be gone. If not, its management's fault.
Some jobs are created by government to get a certain sector of society out of poverty. Ergo we have 'cultural diversity officers'. These people don't actually do anything important, other than to earn money to get them into the middle class and make society more 'equal'. There's lots of other examples where people don't really do anything but still get paid, the head of the National Rail admitted that he did nothing but still got around a million $ a year. There was also a Primeminister who didn't do much "My favourite prime minister was Sir Alec Douglas-Home, not because he was on the Right, but because he spent a year in office without, on his own admission, doing a damned thing. " - George Macdonald Fraser. There's also members of Parliament who pay their wives to be their secretaries and a plethora of company directors who invent 'jobs for the boys' so all their yuppy friends can get in on the pig trough.
 
Feb 2017
217
Canada
Work isn't about contributing to the world, it's about providing value to someone by solving some type of problem in exchange for money.

Take away the unrealistic idealism of philosophies like this, and you're left with nothing.
 
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stevev

Ad Honorem
Apr 2017
3,562
Las Vegas, NV USA
During the Great Depression it was rumored that the government might pay people just to run around the block, say 50 cents for each circuit. 50 cents wan't bad for the time and five dollars (10 circuits) over 12 hours could feed a family. It wasn't true but at least it would've been good exercise.