Byzantium and Its Ethnicities

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Ad Honorem
Sep 2012
3,930
Bulgaria
Sorry, but no thing as Roman ethnicity existed. There was a Roman nationality, though, and multiple ethnic groups.
Could you please translate for us what etnikoi means? To my understanding Hellene means simply an ethnic group native to modern Greece including diaspora abroad, but Etnhic Hellene nowadays! means a follower of the ancient polytheistic Hellenic religion to extend reconstructed (Zeus, Hera, Apolon etc)

EDIT: By the way civitas means citizenship, not nationality. The former is a legal concept, whilst the latter is historically relatively new term intertwined with the ethnicity (present meaning).
 
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Maki

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
3,552
Republika Srpska
Sorry, but no thing as Roman ethnicity existed. There was a Roman nationality, though, and multiple ethnic groups.
Why did then in 491 after the death of emperor Zeno people of Constantinople chanted "May you be blessed, Roman woman, if no foreign elements is added to the genos of the Romans"?

Also, when the town of Melnik was contested between Nicaea and Bulgaria, the citizens of Melnik claimed, according to Georgios Akropolites, that they were "pure Romans in our genos".
 

Solidaire

Ad Honorem
Aug 2009
5,596
Athens, Greece
Why did then in 491 after the death of emperor Zeno people of Constantinople chanted "May you be blessed, Roman woman, if no foreign elements is added to the genos of the Romans"?

Also, when the town of Melnik was contested between Nicaea and Bulgaria, the citizens of Melnik claimed, according to Georgios Akropolites, that they were "pure Romans in our genos".
Because they wanted to be "pure Romans" in genos, medieval Greeks were claiming ancestry from Aeneas and the Roman forefathers, trying to be as Roman in descent as possible. Roman ethnicity was something related to the inhabitants of ancient Rome, however, citizenship (or nationality) is an entirely different identity, related to the state, not to ancestry.
 
Aug 2019
218
North
Why did then in 491 after the death of emperor Zeno people of Constantinople chanted "May you be blessed, Roman woman, if no foreign elements is added to the genos of the Romans"?

Also, when the town of Melnik was contested between Nicaea and Bulgaria, the citizens of Melnik claimed, according to Georgios Akropolites, that they were "pure Romans in our genos".
Sth's very fishy with this roman /byzantine thing.
 

Solidaire

Ad Honorem
Aug 2009
5,596
Athens, Greece
Could you please translate for us what etnikoi means? To my understanding Hellene means simply an ethnic group native to modern Greece including diaspora abroad, but Etnhic Hellene nowadays! means a follower of the ancient polytheistic Hellenic religion to extend reconstructed (Zeus, Hera, Apolon etc)

EDIT: By the way civitas means citizenship, not nationality. The former is a legal concept, whilst the latter is historically relatively new term intertwined with the ethnicity (present meaning).
You are right, I use "nationality" as the identity related to the state, to citizenship, while "ethnicity" is the identity related to ancestry, in my view.

For example, there is a British nationality and a British nation, but not a British ethnic group. Similarly, there was a Roman nationality and nation (the Byzantines were Roman nationals), but not a Roman ethnic group (in Byzantine times).

"Ethnikoi" (modern Greek: Εθνικοί), is simply the plural of ethnikos, meaning "ethnic" as the Greek word translates in English. Hellene is the term Greeks used and use to call themselves (to be accurate, "Εllinas", Greek spelling "'Ελληνας"), so "Ethnic Hellene" is something of a redundancy. Indeed there are some followers of the Dodekatheon that call themselves like that. We call the Greek national team "Ethniki Ellados". :)

During early Christian times, "Ethnikoi" was a term used to describe the pagans of the old religions, similar to "gentiles".
 
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