Caesarion: What really happened to him?

okamido

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Anything is possible, but if I was 17, and was more than aware of my place in the world, as Caesarion would have been.....there would be waves to be made.
 

Menshevik

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Anything is possible, but if I was 17, and was more than aware of my place in the world, as Caesarion would have been.....there would be waves to be made.
Meaning that, had he lived, we would of definitely heard about it?
 
Feb 2014
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Do we know for certain that he was killed? Did he possibly escape to India?
Plutarch claimed he did.
Seutonius doesn't say. Neither does Dio. iirc them correctly.
Bevan's older work agress with the story he was executed by Octavius.

''Before Cleopatra's death, he had been sent with his Greek tutor to escape to Berenice on the Red Sea coast. The man who bore the name of Caesar by right of adoption sent messengers after the pair, decoyed them back to Alexandria — whether by the tutor's p383treachery or stupidity we cannot say — and then quickly put his inconvenient cousin to death.''


E. R. Bevan: The House of Ptolemy ? Chap. XIII

Ptolemy XV Caesarion
 

okamido

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Meaning that, had he lived, we would of definitely heard about it?
Well at 17 years old, he wasn't an infant, he knew his illustrious lineage, and would probably want to stage some kind of comeback. There would have always existed those that would want to overthrow whomever was lording over them, and he would have made a great political figurehead to rally around.

With what we knew happened to leaders that were on the losing side, usually at the hands of their friends, or those they believe are loyalists (Darius III, Bessus, Pompeius Magnus), Caesarion could have just been handed over by his own people for a sack of gold.
 

Space Shark

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He was all in all most likely executed by Augustus. If he survived we would have known more about it.
 

tornada

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Not necessarily. If he survived it is possible that he left. We assume that he wanted political power, but he may not have. He may have for example fled to India and become a courtier or some sort of functionary in some Indian King's court. You could have lived a fairly lavish life, and any return would have implied enormous political gameplaying. Just saying that Caesarion may not have been interested in becoming a ruler in Egypt or Rome and so might have stayed out.

Just speculating mind you, but the premise is that Caesarion wasn't interested in ruling, something that could possibly come from seeing what became of rulers of his ilk, and growing up with Antony as a father figure :)
 
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I find it hard to imagine a Machiavellian genius like Octavian leaving a potential rival unharmed when the public would supporting killing him.
 
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Octavian supposedly said that "two Caesars is one too many" and even if he didn't really make that statement, it's true enough that a decision to leave Caesarion alive would've endangered him. Even if he had escaped to India, assassins and murder plots would've followed. He was simply too dangerous to be left alive.

Any enemies of Octavian would've rallied around Caesarion and threatened the peace, making him a flashpoint for Republican resistance against the forming Empire. He was even officially ruler of Egypt after Cleopatra committed suicide, even though he only ruled alone for eleven days between her death and his return from Syria to execution in Alexandria. Octavian naturally stepped into the power void, becoming something of a Roman Pharaoh himself as he took control and maintained the peace.
 
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Plutarch claimed he did.
Seutonius doesn't say. Neither does Dio. iirc them correctly.
Bevan's older work agress with the story he was executed by Octavius.
Both Suetonius and Dio claimed that Caesarion was killed by Octavian.

Suetonius in [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Caesars]The Twelve Caesars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] chapter 2 XVII said:
"The eldest of Antony's two sons by Fulvia he commanded to be
taken by force from the statue of Julius Caesar, to which he had fled,
after many fruitless supplications for his life, and put him to death.
The same fate attended Caesario, Cleopatra's son by Caesar, as he
pretended, who had fled for his life, but was retaken."

Here a link for english version of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Caesars:"]The Twelve Caesars: - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/6400/6400.txt

Cassius dio book 51:6
"Now among the other preparations made for speedy warfare, they enrolled among the youths of military age, Cleopatra her son Caesarion and Antony his son Antyllus, who had been born to him by Fulvia and was then with him. Their purpose was to arouse the enthusiasm of the Egyptians, who would feel that they had at last a man for their king, and to cause the rest to continue the struggle with these boys as their leaders, in case anything untoward should happen to the parents. 2 Now as for the lads, this proved one of the causes of their undoing; for Caesar spared neither of them, claiming that they were men and were clothed with a sort of leadership."

and 51:15
"Such were these two and such was their end. Of their children, Antyllus was slain immediately, though he was betrothed to the daughter of Caesar and had taken refuge in his father's shrine, which Cleopatra had built; and Caesarion while fleeing to Ethiopia was overtaken on the road and murdered."

Here a link to english version of Cassius Dio: Roman hystory

Cassius Dio ? Book*51