Can an F-86 survive against an F-16 or Mirage 2000 in a subsonic dogfight?

Nov 2014
381
ph
#1
If the dogfight is subsonic only, can an F-86 turn inside an F-16 or Mirage 2000 and use its 50 calibers to get a lucky shot at the cockpit glass enough to hit the pilot of the F-16 or Mirage 2000, or damage flight control surfaces like the elevators or rudders to force the Falcon or Mirage 2000 to withdraw, all while staying inside the minimum range of the heatseeking missiles? Are their cockpit canopies capable of withstanding 50 caliber rounds from the Sabre's guns? Say the Mirage and F-16 are not equiped with HCMS and are armed with AIM-9Ls or Ms only, so basically an early 90s version F-16 or Mirage 2000 vs. an F-86 in a subsonic dogfight.
 
Mar 2019
887
Kansas
#2
If the dogfight is subsonic only, can an F-86 turn inside an F-16 or Mirage 2000 and use its 50 calibers to get a lucky shot at the cockpit glass enough to hit the pilot of the F-16 or Mirage 2000, or damage flight control surfaces like the elevators or rudders to force the Falcon or Mirage 2000 to withdraw, all while staying inside the minimum range of the heatseeking missiles? Are their cockpit canopies capable of withstanding 50 caliber rounds from the Sabre's guns? Say the Mirage and F-16 are not equiped with HCMS and are armed with AIM-9Ls or Ms only, so basically an early 90s version F-16 or Mirage 2000 vs. an F-86 in a subsonic dogfight.
I cant answer you direct question but I did get to see a simulated dog fight between 2 x F16s flown by top gun pilots and a Mirage F1 flown by a French ace in the late 1980s. The Mirage did surprisingly well, and seemed to adopt a run and gun tactic and used it superior straight line acceleration to stay out of trouble. It was part of an airshow demonstration so the pilots were a little restricted what they could do. Example I think the US pilots would have put their F16s into climbs in real life and tried to outturn the Mirage.
 
Jul 2018
288
London
#3
In a one on one starting after the merge, maybe the F-86 can out-turn the M2000 , less likely the F16. .50 cals would be a bit short ranged but they could probably damage the opponent enough to be effective.
The problem is that no passably competent fighter pilot would even start a turning fight in that situation; he/she would maneuver to stay out of the F-86 range and wait to have a good infrared lock. The F-86 must succeed to take them completely by surprise.
 

AlpinLuke

Ad Honoris
Oct 2011
25,888
Italy, Lago Maggiore
#4
An F86 has got a thrust of about 24 kn, a Mirage 2000 records a thrust of between 64 and 98 kn. A Mirage weights [about] like 2 F86, anyway its thrust is superior [related to the weight of the plane]. This gives a not irrelevant advantage in a dog fight. An F16 can record a quite variable weight [according to the operative configuration], but we can say that its weight is comparable with the one of the Mirage 2000. But its thrust is between 76 and 127 kn.

With similar thrusts [related to the weight], the F16 and the Mirage would find it not so difficult to gain a position of advantage in a dog fight against an F86.

Not to underline that the F16 and the Mirage could limit their action simply to chase the F86 ... the old plane will fall well before of them: the autonomy of an F86 was about 1,680km [with extra tanks], the F16 [with extra tanks] reaches 4,200km and the Mirage 2000 3,330km ...